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    My Sports Illustrated curse. Last week I got my issue with a great story on how Landis was poised to win the Tour on the day he had his meltdown.

    This week the issue comes out today (oddly without Landis on the cover, well, it's because of Tiger of course) and there's a nice article about his memorable come back to victory.

    I'll bet he's on the cover next week.
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    An unfair advantage? OK, how about you also break the hip of everyone in the peleton, now THAT [would make it fair to you then. You 'tard.
    I get the feeling from Stacey's sig that he or she is a "Bobish" type grump that wishes to turn back the clock on cycling 20 years and freeze it.
    It is human nature for folks who are failures in life to attack someone who is a winner. The barrage of attacks on Landis by Forum members does not diminish Landis in any way. But, it does identify life's losers among our membership.
    stacy is really really awful
    ugh. turn in your bike and go watch nascar or something.
    I would cry if I was one of your kids.
    This forum takes the cake for immature parting shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crack'n'fail
    An analyst on ESPN (there "cycling specialist") just said that this test for testosterone levels is highly unreliable and that every cyclist in history who has been found positive based on this specific test that Landis has failed has contested it and won.

    Anyone know of the validity of this statement?
    The specialist also said that Floyd has a reputaion of being a clean rider(which till this point he has) btu also stated that his whole support team also has a reputation for being clean riders. No correct me if I am wrong(and I know you will) but didn't Hamilton ride for Phonak?
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    Quote Originally Posted by superslomo
    Um, Stacefb, though I am loathe to reply to your question, you should know that the B samples are given at THE SAME TIME. If I'm mistaken, anyone can feel free to correct that...

    At the end of it all, I'm sad to see it if it is true, and I'm sad to see that the story got front page billing when the tour win itself was buried on the sports pages here. Who knows how it comes out...

    After the B sample test, they go to endocrinological examinations, and appeals and blah blah blah.

    Schadenfreude is an ugly thing: I was upset for Basso and Ulrich over their bans, and it pains me to see the race and the sport suffer from this kind of publicity... so we wait and see, and try not to take grief at really lousy events.

    Jeez, it's like going to the Weather Channel and seeing people pumping their fists in the air over a hurricane in the Caribbean.
    Yes they are given at the same time but Landis has to ok the second testing to prove his innocence. They have to wait for him to ok the testing to contradict the forst tests. He can just say, sorry you caught me, and be done with it. Saves them the cost of the testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by air-phil
    This forum takes the cake for immature parting shots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starclimber
    Well, ABH, where I work...we have PLENTY of rope. We have enough to hang the entire TDF peloton. We might even have one for you. I'm not sure we have the ba...I mean, testosterone, to take such extreme measures.

    Has it occurred to you that 'you' are smearing the French lab and TDF officials?
    Have you already forgotten the detailed, carefully documented report last month that cleared Lance Armstrong of the doping allegations? False allegations released one year ago by the same lab. That investigation found that the staff of the lab had violated the law, and many of the key rules as to the proper handling of tests and test data.

    The report concluded that both WADA and the lab had worked "hand in hand" to leak to the press information about Armstrong that was based on unreliable data. The lab's weak attempt to remedy its wrongdoing was to suspend one employee.

    And, yesterday, the "Times" of London said they had already been provided the results of the Landis test by a source "close" to the same French lab. Again, a violation of the law. And, a clear violation of the guarantee provided riders that the test results will be confidential until after they are provided to the rider and he has a chance to respond.

    Landis should demand that the "B" sample be tested at another lab, and that the "chain of custody" for the sample be fully documented. The Armstrong report indicated that the French lab was either unfamilar with how to protect the integrety of the testing process, or it was amazingly inept. Or, it was part of attempt to smear Armstrong that failed.

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    Yes they are given at the same time but Landis has to ok the second testing to prove his innocence. They have to wait for him to ok the testing to contradict the forst tests. He can just say, sorry you caught me, and be done with it. Saves them the cost of the testing.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tdf200...ory?id=2531225

    Apparently he already DID request it. Plus, I don't think anyone has ever not requested that the second sample be tested...

    No one would ever ever admit to doping... not unless caught red-handed, and/or caught on blood or urine testing, which is generally confirmed to ensure that the testing itself is not contaminated.

    For that matter, I don't even know that they normally announce a positive result if there is a possibility of a second test... anyone else with more conclusive info can confirm or deny this.

    I feel kind of ripped off at the moment, and while I am not feeling too sure of anything, I hope that this does get cleared up in a positive way.

    We'll see... (always important to include a prediction that's definitely going to come true)

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    For all that talk about what kind of beer Floyd drank, and was it the beer that made floyd fast? Take a look at this

    http://www.crainsmuscleworld.com/new...news071601.htm

    Scroll down to the heading "The Effect of Alcohol Consumption on the Urinary Testosterone / Epitestosterone Ratio"

    I'm not sure if the current tests still have this deficiency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkurpiewski
    For all that talk about what kind of beer Floyd drank, and was it the beer that made floyd fast? Take a look at this

    http://www.crainsmuscleworld.com/new...news071601.htm

    Scroll down to the heading "The Effect of Alcohol Consumption on the Urinary Testosterone / Epitestosterone Ratio"
    So Floyd might have tested positive for..... Amstel????



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    Just having 2 pints could cause some people to have a ratio of 13:1 without actually taking any testosterone?!?! It sounds like the testing method needs a bit of fine tuning - to say the least.
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    Here's another link indicating the same thing link between high T/E and ethanol

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

    Any one know anything more about this? How long after consumption would the high T/E would show in tests? I'm certainly not an expert in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyLowe97
    So Floyd might have tested positive for..... Amstel????


    Its going to take a good beer, like a Duvel or Chimay to produce that kind of ride

    Of course he needed to drink this beer after stage 16, not 17.

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    Keep clutching at straws lads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crack'n'fail
    all Landis fans better hope for a neg. on the B

    this sucks
    ALL cycling fans better hope...
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    To see how VERY unreliable the WADA testing procedures are, "Google" on:

    "Dr. Simon Davis" "UK Drug Control"

    That will take you to an article that makes the use of the words "science" and "WADA" in the same sentence a bit like the words "military" and "intelligence".

    Two pints of beer can result in over a 30% to 270% change in a man's T/E ratio? Scary what my T/E ratio might have been during my college days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
    Have you already forgotten the detailed, carefully documented report last month that cleared Lance Armstrong of the doping allegations? False allegations released one year ago by the same lab. That investigation found that the staff of the lab had violated the law, and many of the key rules as to the proper handling of tests and test data.

    The report concluded that both WADA and the lab had worked "hand in hand" to leak to the press information about Armstrong that was based on unreliable data. The lab's weak attempt to remedy its wrongdoing was to suspend one employee.

    ...
    And WADA has issued its own reading of that "detailed, carefully documented report" that calls the report what it is, a whitewashing by a paid-*** lawyer for the UCI... there are many sides to this story. WADA is considering legal action against Vrijman and possibly the UCI.

    Tense times...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EURO
    Keep clutching at straws lads.

    That's it... it's because he drank the beer with a straw... a tainted straw...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crack'n'fail
    An analyst on ESPN (there "cycling specialist") just said that this test for testosterone levels is highly unreliable and that every cyclist in history who has been found positive based on this specific test that Landis has failed has contested it and won.

    Anyone know of the validity of this statement?
    Their "Cycling specialist" is John Eustice. He was a pretty good pro and I believe he won the US Pro championship in Phila one year.
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    He was a pretty good pro and I believe he won the US Pro championship in Phila one year.
    I bet he's pretty familiar with doping then

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    Anyone ready with judgment on Landis, pro or con, testosteron use or not, should read the Gert-Jan Theunisse biography, 'De fiets, de fiets en verder niets'. Not translated into English probably though, sorry.
    (The bike, the bike and nothing else.)

    Taught me a lot to put bike racing, drug testing and life in general more into perspective.

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    I don't believe it, only because so many of the riders implicated in the last scandal are cleared- but it's too late for them to attend the Tour, which is a sin, in my opinion. A whole squad disqualified, and nearly all proven to be true? Ridiculous. I find it incredible that people act like hypocrites here- taking the word of a highly inaccurate test and not even waiting for the B sample to get released before making nasty comments and taking digs at a guy who is a a 100% legit and truthful guy, in my opinion. Even if the B sample comes out to be positive, I'm still going to wait to hear from him first before I make a final decision. I actually have this thing- it's called A MIND, and I think I can look at the facts for myself. The fact is, Landis took cortisone shots with the approval of the officials. Cortisone is a steriod... and how do we know what cortisone will do to influence the results of the test?

    I feel really bad for the guy- using a flawed test to test a guy taking steroid shots that he was allowed to test, winning the Tour, and now having the ugly accusations mar the hard work he did? It's sad and pathetic. I feel like the Tour really is letting us down- using a test that is overly broad and creates villians out of heros like Landis. If I ever met Landis, I'd shake his hand... heck, I'd KISS his hand and thank him for riding strong and increasing the public awareness of cycling and for giving us one heck of a great race.

    He's innocent. You all will see it. Just wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EURO
    Keep clutching at straws lads.
    Clutching implies hanging on to something that's yours and which is close to your body. I prefer to grasp at my straws.
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    Guys - I am as distressed as you are over the news but I am more distressed at how when this occurs everyone seems to blame the tests - the athletes, fans, etc. . .If the tests are so unreliable why would ANY athlete, TEAM, or SPONSOR every agree to them? They all have to sign contracts to compete that state they will be bound by the tests. . .BEFORE they even compete or are tested. Only when caught do they (and we) throw up how bad the tests are. . .

    On my job if my employer required me to sign a document that I would be summarily fired for passing a test that I knew to be flawed I would not sign it nor get tested. The teams would do the same if they truly thought it was a bogus test. They would not agree to it, the riders would strike, and the bogus tests would be removed from the testing protocol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staceyfb
    The specialist also said that Floyd has a reputaion of being a clean rider(which till this point he has) btu also stated that his whole support team also has a reputation for being clean riders. No correct me if I am wrong(and I know you will) but didn't Hamilton ride for Phonak?
    yeah, i noticed that too. The whole team was reorganized after a big drug scandal that included others besides Hamilton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koffee brown
    I don't believe it, only because so many of the riders implicated in the last scandal are cleared- but it's too late for them to attend the Tour, which is a sin, in my opinion. A whole squad disqualified, and nearly all proven to be true? Ridiculous. I find it incredible that people act like hypocrites here- taking the word of a highly inaccurate test and not even waiting for the B sample to get released before making nasty comments and taking digs at a guy who is a a 100% legit and truthful guy, in my opinion. Even if the B sample comes out to be positive, I'm still going to wait to hear from him first before I make a final decision. I actually have this thing- it's called A MIND, and I think I can look at the facts for myself. The fact is, Landis took cortisone shots with the approval of the officials. Cortisone is a steriod... and how do we know what cortisone will do to influence the results of the test?

    I feel really bad for the guy- using a flawed test to test a guy taking steroid shots that he was allowed to test, winning the Tour, and now having the ugly accusations mar the hard work he did? It's sad and pathetic. I feel like the Tour really is letting us down- using a test that is overly broad and creates villians out of heros like Landis. If I ever met Landis, I'd shake his hand... heck, I'd KISS his hand and thank him for riding strong and increasing the public awareness of cycling and for giving us one heck of a great race.

    He's innocent. You all will see it. Just wait.

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