Prince9931

I think they are talking about a steroid patch? Dissolves quickly...... what type of steroid?? How long it stays in the blood stream? Maybe he gritted his teeth extra hard and the excess testosterone from the enamel cause him to test positive. Who knows at this point.

Guest

Yes.

The DS actually guides the team and Landis, but when Landis calls Ventura and asks for expertise on training and wants to hone his skills, then sure... he's about as legit a coach to Landis as Carmichael was to Armstrong. Landis has the legs and the potential, but if he needs the direction for coaching, and for someone to take his power meter and interpret the results and adjust his training, read the VO2 max readings, etc., then yeah- that's where Ventura steps in. But as far as the physical riding, it's all Landis. But too many people think that if someone coaches you, they have to ride with you and be better than you- that's incorrect. If I coached someone like Landis, I'd be looking at the numbers associated with his power output, speed, VO2 max, etc. and what he currently does for training, checking for his deficiencies, and giving him a training program. Then most likely, I'd have a car and ride behind him (or in front, or whatever) and talk to him through a mic or something along those lines. Or I'd send him out to do his ride that I'd designed and when he got back, I'd download the information off his power meter and heart rate monitor and giving him the results and going through how he did for the ride and what we'll be doing in the future based on those results.

I believe that is what Ventura does.

Koffee

domestique

love your insight Koffee.. same goes to smoothie. always enjoy reading your posts

SaintAndrew

exactly my point. ferrari trained armstrong, who co-owns a coaching business with carmichael. i have pretty serious doubts that lance and carmichael ever talked about anything other than expanding their business.

Panic

I saw this quote on Velonews "An AP reporter asked Landis, "How do you explain this fabulous performance on stage 17?"

"Listen, there are 20 stages in the Tour," Landis said. "And every day you see a fabulous performance. So explain the other 19.""

Thylacine

But hang on, I thought 'It's not about the bike' and now you're saying it IS about the bike?

Jasus! I mean, I'm already at a disadvantage because I haven't had Cancer, aren't a religious nutter, nor have I been mistaken for a Turkey, and now you spring THIS one me!?!?!?!

*Stares dumbfounded at bike*

Hey, can you pass me that syringe?

Thylacine

You mean it's not his undisclosed, doped-to-the-eyeballs identical twin?

I swear, this is a day of revelations for me. Anyone else?

Smoothie104

It will be interesting to see the B sample yes, but also any tests prior to stage 17 and any tests after stage 17.

in 1999 Botero had to prove he had abnormally high test levels, he's one hairy bastard so maybe he did, but his team doctor on Kelme that year? Fuentes.. small world eh?

SaintAndrew

yeah that was slick, but on the other hand it's non necessarily true. nothing compared to his solo break for 100km+ to victory. that **** is pretty much unheard of, esp. in the TdF.

Thylacine

Um, hello? Pereiro?

SaintAndrew

last time i checked that wasn't a solo breakaway.

Thylacine

How long have you been watching the Tour?

maalea

That's not what I said. As per your norm, you put a twist on what was written. My point was that back then the european riders had better PEDs.

Guest

Ummmm... NO. Ferrari was a "nutritionist" of some sort and talked to riders about nutrition and supplementing (allegedly). All the stuff with the stats pulled from his power meter, heart rate monitor, and lab results were from training by Carmichael. It probably would be a good idea for you to read one of Carmichael's books where he talks about training Lance- or if it's still on Lance's website, you'll see what Carmichael did to train Lance. Carmichael frequently talked about and referred to different training tactics he used with Lance.

Koffee

Guest

As soon as you aussies realize you are descendants of criminals and losers kicked out of England.



Right back atcha.

Koffee

mrkott3r

Yeah so what? At least crims aren't gullable!

Hey at least we voted for our leader. (well the person makes the decisions) Haven't started two illegal wars, dromped nuclear weapons on innoncent people etc etc the list of US **** ups is endless much like Australian **** ups.

But **** koffee you weren't exactly writing this when Jan and Basso were in the **** (and they have less proof than they have on landis) so being a yank means he is innoncent until the syringe is found? Im glad this ****er is gonna get caught just to point out you yanks ain't the be all and end all.

While Im at it we want Hicks back!

SaintAndrew

lol yeah i should believe carmichael with a vested interest vs. coyle with none whatsoever not to mention their respective track records (ferrari's vs. carmichael's).

Guest

You rant like someone who clearly has no sense. No one takes you seriously whether you believe he's guilty or not. Sorry that you're upset I had to point out how ignorant and hypocritical you are by pointing out your country's dirty little history.


Koffee

meb

Rassmussen the day before.

Guest

You bet Coyle had a vested interest in Armstrong- if someone gave me the opportunity to have my testing done by Coyle, I'd jump on it. And the research articles he's written on interpreting training numbers are gold- he's published to death, and when he publishes, people read and take what he has to say seriously. I've got him listed on a few scientific research sites- whenever he publishes, I get emailed, and they list where he's published.

Anyone who associates with Armstrong has a vested interest in Armstrong.

Koffee

Guest

Yeah- just witness the response of that rabid dood that just ranted about three or four posts ago. Oooooh, you're like cuddley bunnies!

Koffee

mrkott3r

All countries are ****ed up. It ain't like the states are innocent.

I couldnt care if hes guilty or not I just want to watch cycling. What gets up my nose is that when Basso and Jan are *implicated* in cheating you're all like, "yep there guilty chuck them out" when Landis fails a test (which at this stage is about the same amount of evidence as they have on Jan and Basso) you're all like, "Noooo he can't be guilty, the system has failed, an American can't be guilty."

See what I'm getting at?

OrionKhan

You actually miss a couple of other points. There were a lot of Tyler Hamilton (hmm, same Phonak team) supporters too. They didn't believe he could have possibly doped. Then they attack the validity of the tests.

One of the first and foremost arguments that gets thrown out about Lance, is that he never had positive test ever. "He was the most tested athelete in the world." Now Floyd actually has a positive test and again the supporters go back to attacking the validity of searching for obscure explanation. Because Floyd is a great guy and there's no way he would dope.

So a guy who doesn't test positive is innocent. And a guy who does test positive is innocent because of the invalidity of the test or some other bizarre reason. So is anyone ever guilty of doping? There's a lot of hypocracy going on.

Considering how the riders linked to Op. Puerto were treated by UCI and their teams, I think its going to be tough for Landis to beat this. How do you stop guys from riding in the race? Fire them in some cases. Then the GC winner turns out to have a positive test. Landis is in a very tough spot.

I'm an American. I really wasn't a big Landis fan. Was glad to see him win, though. But he's got a positive test. And I'm not surprised at all. I think we should look at all atheletes with the same scrutiny irregardless of what country they are from. Because in the end, none of us really know what these guys are or aren't doing. None of us really "know" them and the true character. All that we see are snapshots of their lives. Behind the scenes anything could be happening.

Guest

I did NOT say that. I happen to LOVE Ullrich and I have great respect for Basso. Whatever you're saying, you're confused. Either that, or you're lying.

Before you talk, do some research first. Then you won't sound completely obtuse.

Now, as far as your cursing, it's NOT allowed on bikeforums. And if you're not going to respect me as a moderator, much less as a person who posts (who you've accused of saying something I did NOT say), then I'll just let you know that you're taking a step in the wrong direction right now.

Now, if you feel like you have some political diatribe against America, you put that in Politics and Religion. This is not a suggestion.

Koffee Brown

Forum Moderator

mrkott3r

Agreed

again agreed. Im probably guilty of it too.

while the treatment was harsh, if they want to reduce/stamp out drug cheats this is probably the only way to do it.

I believe the UCI does its best to treat cyclists fairly in drug allegations. Lance was treated badly in some circumstances, there were times he was basically slandered. At least with Tyler/Jan/Basso/Landis there is evidence to start proceedings. In Tyler's case he is looking at a decent sized ban. (has he been banned yet?)

And for whats its worth Im proud to be an Aussie, and I dont really hate you yanks although you may hate me, which is ok.