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Old 07-26-06, 11:36 AM   #1
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Oh No - Who Failed The Dope Test?

"PARIS, July 26 (Reuters) - A rider on this year's Tour de France failed a dope test during the race, the International Cycling Union (UCI) announced on Wednesday.

"The UCI received today a report of the anti-doping laboratory of Paris stating an adverse analytical finding following an anti-doping test carried out at the Tour de France 2006," the sport's governing body said in a statement.

Details of the rider were not released, although the UCI said his team and national federation had been informed of the test result. "


http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug...ters&type=lgns

I just hope it's not Floyd.
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Old 07-26-06, 11:51 AM   #2
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I'm shocked!

Since the French had two riders in the top 10, it must be a french rider.
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Is this a surprise to anyone?
I don't know that they would have tested Floyd or not, he was on cortisone anyways(which is a banned substance that made an exception for him due to his hip). I do not agre that Landis should have been there, if he needed a banned substance to compete than he shouldn't have been there. No exceptions.
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Is this a surprise to anyone?
I don't know that they would have tested Floyd or not, he was on cortisone anyways(which is a banned substance that made an exception for him due to his hip). I do not agre that Landis should have been there, if he needed a banned substance to compete than he shouldn't have been there. No exceptions.
Well, I'm not really surprised, but a bit disappointed.

I'm not really familiar with testing procedures, but I'm pretty sure that Floyd was tested. Even if he received an exception of some sort for cortisone, I doubt they'd give him a free pass on all testing. If anything, they'd test for every banned substance other than cortisone.

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Well, I'm not really surprised, but a bit disappointed.

I'm not really familiar with testing procedures, but I'm pretty sure that Floyd was tested. Even if he received an exception of some sort for cortisone, I doubt they'd give him a free pass on all testing. If anything, they'd test for every ban substance other than cortisone.
My guess - and it's just that - is that they'd test Floyd for steroids, too, tomake sure he was taking only the prescribed levels of them.

Amd you can bet the ranch that Floyd was tested. The guy in yellow and the stage winner is always tested. So are some number of places down on the day. So is some number of randomly drawn riders. So at a minimum, he was tested ahalf dozen times or so between the days in yellow, the stage win, and the second- and third-place finishes in the TT's and in the Pyrenees.
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I would believe that he ws tested. But with the exemptions he could play most if not all of it off to the treatment for his hip. I am not a Landis hater, but I do not agree with him being given that exemption. If he couldn't do it like everyone else on EPO than he should have waited for his surgery and came back to prove himself.
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Is this a surprise to anyone?
I don't know that they would have tested Floyd or not, he was on cortisone anyways(which is a banned substance that made an exception for him due to his hip). I do not agre that Landis should have been there, if he needed a banned substance to compete than he shouldn't have been there. No exceptions.
It's in the rules. It's not a special exception created for Landis.
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Couldn't have been a Disco rider... look at their placings.
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It's in the rules. It's not a special exception created for Landis.
Not according to all of the news stories. Can you point me to the rule that allows banned substances in the tour?
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My guess:

1. A guy who was picked to finish about number 140, who then finished in the "Top Ten". (Which is why I did so poorly in the "Top Ten" contest).

2. A guy who was struggling to finish number 140, and went to "Dr. Robert" to avoid missing the time cut.


But Floyd? Ain't no way.
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Voeckler? He rode like a dope on stage 11.
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To those of you who say, or think, that Floyd got some sort of special treatment, you need to get your facts straight, first. There is specific language that allows a rider to take certain banned substances if a medical condition warrants it. ANY RIDER. Not just Floyd. For example, if, during a stage, a rider was stung by a swarm of bees as they finished the stage, and the only way to get the swelling in his face to go down was via a shot of steroids, do you think they would say "nope...you must continue with a face that looks like a crabapple. have much fun riding" I doubt it. Settle down with the "he shouldn't have ridden at all" talk.
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To those of you who say, or think, that Floyd got some sort of special treatment, you need to get your facts straight, first. There is specific language that allows a rider to take certain banned substances if a medical condition warrants it. ANY RIDER. Not just Floyd. For example, if, during a stage, a rider was stung by a swarm of bees as they finished the stage, and the only way to get the swelling in his face to go down was via a shot of steroids, do you think they would say "nope...you must continue with a face that looks like a crabapple. have much fun riding" I doubt it. Settle down with the "he shouldn't have ridden at all" talk.
Isn't that exactly what happened to a rider a couple of years ago? No meds and he had to quit.
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Here is a link to a velonews article. I would think Floyd got the paperwork right.

http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/5719.0.html
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Jonathon Vaughters, thats exactly what happened to him, with the wasp or bee sting.

Of course he was also talking on Instant Messenger about how the teams in 2005 were using motorcycle couriers to deliver blood to the teams on the rest day for re infusion.

There are some substances which are banned, but can be used with a TUE, or Theraputic Use Exemption. something like 80% of the peleton are diagnosed with asthma so they can use alabuterol and other bronchial dialators. An old trick is to rub your scrotum raw and get a prescription for a cortisone cream. Then you can inject another corticoid and it will show the same metabolites on the test, but becuase you have a TUE, its permitted.

Lance tripped a cortisone test early in his TdF career, it was a minute amount, he did not have a TUE< but he had a prescription (allegedly backdated), but no TUE in his medical book. This was before WADA so the UCI (cyclists union) took the Rx and let him continue.

The stage winner is tested, as is the overall leader, and others at random.

Before WADA, sometimes the stage winner was not tested, depending on what country the race finished in, and who won the stage etc.. funny.
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If its urine, its probably a lower placed rider, or lesser star. If someone tripped the manipulation index, or off score on a blood test, Its probably a GC Contender.

My guess, and this is pure speculation.. . A T-Mob rider....
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Isn't that exactly what happened to a rider a couple of years ago? No meds and he had to quit.
Yes, I remember, was it Jonathan Vaughters? He rode for a day or two with a grotesque swelling of the cheek/eye before he quit.
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Not according to all of the news stories. Can you point me to the rule that allows banned substances in the tour?
http://www.uci.ch/english/about/rules.htm
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To those of you who say, or think, that Floyd got some sort of special treatment, you need to get your facts straight, first. There is specific language that allows a rider to take certain banned substances if a medical condition warrants it. ANY RIDER. Not just Floyd. For example, if, during a stage, a rider was stung by a swarm of bees as they finished the stage, and the only way to get the swelling in his face to go down was via a shot of steroids, do you think they would say "nope...you must continue with a face that looks like a crabapple. have much fun riding" I doubt it. Settle down with the "he shouldn't have ridden at all" talk.
Now this wouldn't be coming from a Flandis lover would it?
I mean am I not allowed to express my displeasure with a rider that that rides with the exemption? I don't care who it is, I would say the same thing about GH and I am a huge fan of his. If I for one know that a rider is using an illegal substance to better himslef over the rest of the group I will say the same thing I have about Landis. I cannot support a rider like that nor will I. But thanks for the warning.
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Article 9 A rider who is obliged to undergo medical treatment requiring the use of substances or methods which
are forbidden at an out-of-competition test must inform the antidoping commission of the fact and submit
such justifications as it may require and indicate the period during which the use of the substance
or method in question may be detected during an antidoping control. During this period he shall hand
in his licence to the antidoping commission and refrain from participation in any competition. Should
an out-of-competition test during this period give rise to a positive result on analysis, the rider shall not
be penalised if the conditions above have been fulfilled. In the case of a rider who does not take part
in international events, the formalities in question must be carried out with his National Federation.


Aticle 64 Medication
1. A rider who has used a substance or method included on the list of classes of banned substances
and methods but who is authorised to do so under the conditions there specified must indicate the
fact on the testing form.
2. A rider failing to do so shall, unless he belongs to a TT/I or TT/II, incur a penalty of between
CHF 300 and CHF 8000 for the elite category and CHF 50 to 3000 for other categories.
Should the rider be charged with doping, this fine will be imposed by the competent body of the
national federation or the CAS, even if the charge of doping is subsequently dropped. If the rider is
found guilty of doping then the fine shall be applied in addition to the penalties for doping.
The UCI may lodge an appeal with the UCI Disciplinary Commission against the decision taken by
the competent body of the national federation; such an appeal shall be restricted to the fine applied
under this paragraph.
Should the rider not subsequently be charged with doping the fine shall be imposed either in accordance
with Articles 12.2.013 to 12.2.21 of the Cycling Regulations or in accordance with Article
92 of these regulations.
3. In the case of a rider belonging to a TT/I or TT/II only substances or treatments noted in the rider's
medical record may be taken into consideration to determine whether the medical conditions
have been fulfilled. If the conditions are not fulfilled in line with the contents of the medical record,
then the rider shall be declared positive. In exceptional circumstances at the discretion of the antidoping
commission a rider shall be permitted to demonstrate to the antidoping commission that a
failure to have something noted in the medical record is wholly excusable and to present documents
which the antidoping commission will assess to see whether they can be accepted as proof of the
medical justification subject to the conditions set out in the second paragraph of article 8.




This means nothing to my layman brain. But I don't see where it says he can compete. Article 9 plainly states that he must turn in his card and not compete.
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Not according to all of the news stories. Can you point me to the rule that allows banned substances in the tour?
http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/14ant-E.pdf

page 7 goes over the substance exemption rules. this is just from the UCI, i'm not sure how WADA or any other agency fits in with respect to the tour rules.
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This means nothing to my layman brain. But I don't see where it says he can compete. Article 9 plainly states that he must turn in his card and not compete.
What are you so angry about?

Wow....
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What are you so angry about?

Wow....
Not angry at all. Just don't like to see one guy use the system to have an unfair advantage over the rest.

May get a little defensive when someone jumps on me for my views. Thats all
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Okay... so does anyone know if there were other Therapeutic Use Exemptions (TUE) in the Tour this year, or is it only Floyd? Hard to believe he'd be the only one. If, as Smoothie pointed out above in post #15, regarding the asthma rate (80%???) in the peloton, it doesn't seem like Floyd's getting special treatment. Smoothie's usually on target with his pro cycling facts.
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Not angry at all. Just don't like to see one guy use the system to have an unfair advantage over the rest.

May get a little defensive when someone jumps on me for my views. Thats all
Unfair advantage? He has a bad hip... the drugs he took did not heal his hip, they were essentially painkillers.
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