acrafton

Guys - read an interview today where Floyd is NOW saying he took an IV after the day he cracked (stage 16) when he has previously said he did NOT take an IV. .

here is the interview where he denies an IV (7/28):

https://outside.away.com/outside/news/20060728_1.html
Q: Aafter the hard stage in the mountains [day he cracked] did you take an IV that night?

Landis: No.

Now, however, he is saying he took an IV (8/8):
https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...la-home-sports

"Landis started Stage 16 of the Tour in first place. That day, he faltered to 11th. After finishing Stage 16, Landis said Monday, he felt "tired," "cold," "completely empty of energy." The team doctor hooked him up to an intravenous drip that contained saline solution, perhaps glucose — nothing more, he said."

So, why lie about an IV if you are innocent? This, IMO, is a way for him to add to the confusion and possible explanations of why he had testo (geez, must have been something in that IV). You don't really forget getting an IV after the worst public ride of your career. . .Again, not the actions of an innocent man, IMO.

rebaths

Can't really argue with that, now can ya?

edmcnierney

Well, not to pick nits (these are reporters, not court testimony), but the first interview asked him if he had an IV "that night" and were talking about the beer and JD. The second interview seems to indicate he was put on an IV very shortly after the stage finished, and he then talks about what happens "early that evening" as if it happened after the IV. It seems reasonable - given that he was responding to individual questions, not laying out a detailed timeline - to have understood both questions differently and given different answers. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have an IV "that night" and I also expect that, particularly early on when he's more scared and uncertain, he's likely to try to answer questions quite literally.

I would not be surprised if his doctor did put him on an IV immediately after the stage - he sure looked like he needed immediate intervention.

I'm not taking sides here - unlike many other posters, I actually don't know what really happened and I don't know what Landis did or did not do. But if you look over every tea leaf in every comment made by anyone I'm sure you can find something to "prove" your conclusion.

flythebike

If you are looking for a pattern of deceptive behavior, look no further than him concealing his hip condition.

LilSprocket

liar liar pants on fire!!!

Old Dirt Hill

Doesn't look good, but ed's interpretation isn't crazy.

Still, at best this is another strike against Floyd in the public opinion contest.

EURO

From the BBC interview

What a mess...

EURO

Especially as IVs are totally standard in stage races.

Smoothie104

I thought WADA banned all injections last year, including IV hydration. I will have to check. That way you can't claim someone gave it to you unknowlingly or the fluid was tainted etc.. as an excuse

webist

It appears he did indeed cheat. However, whether or not he cheated, as an individual, he is out of his league in trying to deal with the issue.

dutret

Sort of. The rule needs to be much more clear and strict in my opinion. Any IV, drs note or not, should be required to be reported and result in a two week suspension. Any non-reported IV should be treated as any other doping incident.

They are hardly ever a medical neccessity and only used because they can speed up hydration.

EURO

So by admitting the IV, he's broken another rule?

dutret

No because it was probably administered by a dr..

EURO

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classic1

The AIS did post-Mark French scandal.

Can't recall WADA banning them.

domestique

I thought during the one stage race OLN talked about how all riders used I.Vs to replenish lost fluids?..... wasn't that the excuse U.S postal had for throwing away all those needles a couple years ago?

merlinextraligh

Landis' complaint with the "leaking" of the A sample is that he had to answer allegations in the media immediately without time to formulate a response. Essentially his complaint boils down to I didn't have time to craft a consistent story, and was making it up as I went along. That shows in the various inconsistencies such as the growing bar tab, and now the IV.

RockyMtnMerlin

Agree but fail to understand why a 30's someting guy can't figure out how to sitdow and think about the situation for even long enough to realize that he is killing himself with his shifting story lines.

RockyMtnMerlin

Of course, if one tells the truth one does not have to "craft a consistent story."

edmcnierney

No, that's not true, as evidenced by this thread. It is *possible* that the two statements posted at the start of this thread are both completely true and honest answers, and we've got people announcing that those statements prove "Landis Lied". In the press, it's not enough to tell the truth - you need to be sure to communicate it in a way that minimizes the risk that it will be misunderstood or deliberately misinterpreted.

acrafton

I disagree. He knew the intent of the question which was to determine if he had taken an IV to recover from the crack on stage 16 with no reference to exact timing. The reporters were asking what he had taken to recover. He is not capable (obviously given his string of stories) of parsing that into different time frames to give a technically "honest" answer by breaking down the timelines.

Net/net, he was asked a simple, closed question and answered (probably truthfully) "no" the first time. Later, upon reflection and trying to obfuscate, he changed the answer.

Karlotta

I guess that depends on the meaning of what "is" is?

iluvfreebeer

He voted for the IV, before he voted against it.

meb

The reporter placed the specific limitation of "night" into the inquiry. If the reporter wanted a broader scope question and was not concerned about the overnight-away-from-the-public and press time period, there would have been no need to place such a specific timeframe in the question.

531phile 

I'm very disappointed in Landis. I was rooting for the guy and he turns around and slaps me in the face. Sadness.