Well, at least LeMond is able to use this to keep his name in the news.
07-28-06, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by EURO
1. It's common knowledge amoung pro riders.
2. The press are part of the culture of secrecy as much as the riders.
2. The press are part of the culture of secrecy as much as the riders.
Why would the press be part of the culture of secrecy? What's in it for them if they keep quiet?
07-28-06, 06:22 AM
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There are a whole host of reasons for journos to be part of the omerta of cycling. The sport is their bread and butter - many specialize as cycling writers. They depend on access to the riders, team personnel, officialdom.... If you **** in your own nest some of the access you have to these people might not be there in future.
Many are also close to the sport, love it and don't want to hurt it. Often the journalists are ex-riders! Bringing details of the more unsavoury aspects of cycling to the great unwashed may mean sponsors leave the sport, TV coverage is cut and riders losing jobs. Many journos are close personal friends with the riders.
It doesn't only happen in cycling though. Football writers in Australia know far more of what goes on than what is reported. The Canberra press gallery is notorious for being complicite with pollies in leaks, cover-ups etc. Crime writers don't report everything they hear from underworld contacts. There is nothing unusual about it. Its the way of the world.
Many are also close to the sport, love it and don't want to hurt it. Often the journalists are ex-riders! Bringing details of the more unsavoury aspects of cycling to the great unwashed may mean sponsors leave the sport, TV coverage is cut and riders losing jobs. Many journos are close personal friends with the riders.
It doesn't only happen in cycling though. Football writers in Australia know far more of what goes on than what is reported. The Canberra press gallery is notorious for being complicite with pollies in leaks, cover-ups etc. Crime writers don't report everything they hear from underworld contacts. There is nothing unusual about it. Its the way of the world.
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07-28-06, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by classic1
You're confusing blood doping with EPO.
Blood doping refers to the practice of removing blood from an athlete and retransfusing it just prior to competition, increasing red blood cells and the bloods oxygen carrying capacity. This is the practice that the US Cycling team was criticised for after the 84 Olympics. Francesco Moser also admitted to doing it.
EPO is a naturally occuring hormone that basically tells the body to make more red blood cells. The EPO used by athletes is a synthesised version of this hormone. There were rumours about EPO 1989 or thereabouts. According to the Donati dossier it was in common use around 1993. He claimed improvements in the 5000m times of world class athletes in 1993 can be almost solely attributed to EPO use.
Blood doping refers to the practice of removing blood from an athlete and retransfusing it just prior to competition, increasing red blood cells and the bloods oxygen carrying capacity. This is the practice that the US Cycling team was criticised for after the 84 Olympics. Francesco Moser also admitted to doing it.
EPO is a naturally occuring hormone that basically tells the body to make more red blood cells. The EPO used by athletes is a synthesised version of this hormone. There were rumours about EPO 1989 or thereabouts. According to the Donati dossier it was in common use around 1993. He claimed improvements in the 5000m times of world class athletes in 1993 can be almost solely attributed to EPO use.
07-28-06, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dead Extra #2
Every time LeMond opens his mouth, I like him less.
https://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/0....xeeg2y4e.html
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To the Lance Armstrong Fan Club
You know nothing of what you speak. Cycling is full of doping and a slew of drugs that you don't even know about. Drugs are pervasive in the sport. It's a virtual playground of pharmacology. Greg was one of the sport's biggest advocates of better testing during his professional career. He knew what was going around. Yesterdayt, he was interviewed and answered ESPN's questions truthfully that the sport needs to be cleaned up. He went on to say that Floyd was a good guy and that the initial results surprised him. Never once did he pass judgement on Floyd and call him a cheater. The video is available on ESPN's website. If Floyd does end up testing positive on following samples, then he SHOULD take the high road and admit wrongdoing and working to come back drug-free. I completely agree with Greg on all counts.
You know nothing of what you speak. Cycling is full of doping and a slew of drugs that you don't even know about. Drugs are pervasive in the sport. It's a virtual playground of pharmacology. Greg was one of the sport's biggest advocates of better testing during his professional career. He knew what was going around. Yesterdayt, he was interviewed and answered ESPN's questions truthfully that the sport needs to be cleaned up. He went on to say that Floyd was a good guy and that the initial results surprised him. Never once did he pass judgement on Floyd and call him a cheater. The video is available on ESPN's website. If Floyd does end up testing positive on following samples, then he SHOULD take the high road and admit wrongdoing and working to come back drug-free. I completely agree with Greg on all counts.
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Originally Posted by bellweatherman
To the Lance Armstrong Fan Club
You know nothing of what you speak. Cycling is full of doping and a slew of drugs that you don't even know about. Drugs are pervasive in the sport. It's a virtual playground of pharmacology. Greg was one of the sport's biggest advocates of better testing during his professional career. He knew what was going around. Yesterdayt, he was interviewed and answered ESPN's questions truthfully that the sport needs to be cleaned up. He went on to say that Floyd was a good guy and that the initial results surprised him. Never once did he pass judgement on Floyd and call him a cheater. The video is available on ESPN's website. If Floyd does end up testing positive on following samples, then he SHOULD take the high road and admit wrongdoing and working to come back drug-free. I completely agree with Greg on all counts.
You know nothing of what you speak. Cycling is full of doping and a slew of drugs that you don't even know about. Drugs are pervasive in the sport. It's a virtual playground of pharmacology. Greg was one of the sport's biggest advocates of better testing during his professional career. He knew what was going around. Yesterdayt, he was interviewed and answered ESPN's questions truthfully that the sport needs to be cleaned up. He went on to say that Floyd was a good guy and that the initial results surprised him. Never once did he pass judgement on Floyd and call him a cheater. The video is available on ESPN's website. If Floyd does end up testing positive on following samples, then he SHOULD take the high road and admit wrongdoing and working to come back drug-free. I completely agree with Greg on all counts.
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07-28-06, 07:26 PM
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I don't know the truth, maybe I'm naive. It just seems to me that GL is always ready to criticize and I'm not just speaking of this instance.
"I'm devastated and extremely disapointed," LeMond told AFP.
You will always find riders who transgress the laws. I really did believe Floyd was not among them, that he was clean. Hopefully, he will be able to step up and tell the truth.
Sounds like he's calling him a cheater. I'm not picking on you or trying to start a fight. It just seems to me another example of him being all to ready to point out why he is so much better than everybody else. He could be dead right, I just don't like his delivery.
If he is right, and FL is quilty as charged, I agree with him. It would be nice for someone to step up and get it out in the open.
Originally Posted by bellweatherman
Never once did he pass judgement on Floyd and call him a cheater
Originally Posted by Greg Lemond (according to the article)
"I'm devastated and extremely disapointed," LeMond told AFP.
You will always find riders who transgress the laws. I really did believe Floyd was not among them, that he was clean. Hopefully, he will be able to step up and tell the truth.
If he is right, and FL is quilty as charged, I agree with him. It would be nice for someone to step up and get it out in the open.
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Originally Posted by EURO
1. It's common knowledge amoung pro riders.
2. The press are part of the culture of secrecy as much as the riders.
2. The press are part of the culture of secrecy as much as the riders.
Except for l'Equipe, which still plays this one down the middle amazingly enough. Of course that publication has continued to hound Armstrong's record with accusations.
Oh, and Lemond was part of that along with a former Postal teammate and his wife. Armstrong wins in court, but of course he's still guilty. If Lemond was using EPO back then, try to imagine he was alone in doing so. I can't. And keep in mind that tests for EPO barely came about when Indurain was trouncing everyone else. Yet, in his last year in the Tour, in which he didn't come close to winning, he was broken in the mountains. I wonder why that was?
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Originally Posted by EURO
1. It's common knowledge amoung pro riders.
Originally Posted by EURO
2. The press are part of the culture of secrecy as much as the riders.
(well maybe just the 999 guys you'll need to pay to confirm that you've made the racing top 1000 in your country
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07-29-06, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by flythebike
So if EPO wasn't used until the early 90s, how do you explain 1984,5 & 6, when Lemond was on the podium? Lemond has a right to his opinion, just like the rest of us. Because he has more street cred, some people listen to him, or at least air his views.
IMO Lemond was the class rider of his generation. He got his results because he had more ability than anyone else.
