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Old 07-30-06, 05:50 AM   #1
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LeMond Wants Landis To Tell Truth

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And I want LeMond to STFU. Yes, I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

So am I.

LeMond has successfully gone from my idol in the 80's, when I last raced...to someone I wish would disappear from the planet.

Congratulations Greg, you idiot.
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Duh!!!!

GL is stating the obvious. Everyone wants the truth. But unfortunately most people have a version of the truth that they expect to hear. What annoys me about GL is that he isn't factoring in the circumstantial evidence. He basically trying to make himself seem like he was the only dang cyclist who won without cheating. PLEASE get over LA. He is *****ing about this because he so friggin jealous he wasn't smart enough to not get shot in a hunting accident or smart enough to not let Hinault cheat him out of win. He believes he could have won seven. So to keep his name alive he is denigrating any American that wins. Notice he didn't attack Ulrich when he won the tour. It appears to me he wants to be the only American that ever won the tour.

Here are the issues with this whole mess:
1 - steroids cannot be used for one day. So Landis would have had a series of shots to boost his performance.
2 - If steroids made the difference then why did Landis crack on stage 16?
3 - The test used for steroids in blood has some problems.
4 - The organization to be fair could ask that Landis undergo analysis to determine if high-testo levels were drug induced or a natural phenomena of alcohol, cortisone shots or other factors.
5 - What were Landis' testorone counts the day before and day after. If significantly different is it medically possible for someone undergoing steroid injections to be able to have normal range testo levels the day before and the day after?
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Can LeMond be banned for being a fricken mouth? Man,is he a bitter old man or what. I'm kinda starting to feel sorry for him,really. IMO,nothing should have come out until the b tests are checked. This isnt fair to Landis if they come back neg.
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I like Greg LeMond a lot but he needs to cut his loses and be quiet, nothing to gain for him by this.
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Why is GL so wrong.

What Floyd did was the last desperate act of a rider watching what might be his only chance at a TDF win fade away. Put the patch on his sack the night before and hoped it would be undetectable and boost his recovery. Now he just needs to admit it.

Get over it he cheated and GL is calling him out on it.
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I've had a very similar reaction to most posters regarding GL: i.e. sour grapes / looking for attention.

However, and I'm not saying I buy this myself, but what if he's right? I mean what if Lance and Floyd and most of the other top riders are cheating? What if the problem is so severe that honest, clean riders don't have a chance? What if he was clean and realized that doping was becoming so widespread that even his awesome talent could no longer keep him competitive?

There's so much speculation on all sides, and clearly many involved are lying (I'm not sure which side is which...). All I'm saying is that IF (big if) he's right and sincere, then perhaps histiorically he'll be viewed in a different light. As it stands now I only see angry responses to what he says; I don't see what he has to gain. Unless he's right and sincere... then perhaps he's willing to ruin his popularity to fix a problem he thinks has ruined competitive cycling for honest athletes.

Just a thought...
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Sadly, Greg Lemond, a once great champion, uses this type of issue to try to prevent himself from becoming a footnote in cycling history. It's really sad, but his big mouth has gotten him in trouble his whole life, why stop now.


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I've had a very similar reaction to most posters regarding GL: i.e. sour grapes / looking for attention.

However, and I'm not saying I buy this myself, but what if he's right? I mean what if Lance and Floyd and most of the other top riders are cheating? What if the problem is so severe that honest, clean riders don't have a chance? What if he was clean and realized that doping was becoming so widespread that even his awesome talent could no longer keep him competitive?

There's so much speculation on all sides, and clearly many involved are lying (I'm not sure which side is which...). All I'm saying is that IF (big if) he's right and sincere, then perhaps histiorically he'll be viewed in a different light. As it stands now I only see angry responses to what he says; I don't see what he has to gain. Unless he's right and sincere... then perhaps he's willing to ruin his popularity to fix a problem he thinks has ruined competitive cycling for honest athletes.

Just a thought...
well i think most are using something and i think GL did too. nevertheless LA was proven innocent and GL is clearly calling him a cheat and landis' B test results have yet to be returned.

i think GL is a whining, self-serving POS. he's claims to want to clean up cycling but really he just wants to be acknowledged as the greatest american cyclist, which he will never be.

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Greg LeMond was a whiner and an ass when he was winning, why should he be any different now?
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So the real question is how did Lemond come back from such a devastating injury himself? Wasn't he having trouble keeping up with the peloton in the early part of the year before his 2nd tour win? Then all of a sudden he's a contender again?
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He is just bitter because he does not look too good in Lycra anymore.
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Why is GL so wrong.

What Floyd did was the last desperate act of a rider watching what might be his only chance at a TDF win fade away. Put the patch on his sack the night before and hoped it would be undetectable and boost his recovery. Now he just needs to admit it.

Get over it he cheated and GL is calling him out on it.
What,you dont need to see the b samples?
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However, and I'm not saying I buy this myself, but what if he's right? I mean what if Lance and Floyd and most of the other top riders are cheating? What if the problem is so severe that honest, clean riders don't have a chance? What if he was clean and realized that doping was becoming so widespread that even his awesome talent could no longer keep him competitive?

There's so much speculation on all sides, and clearly many involved are lying (I'm not sure which side is which...). All I'm saying is that IF (big if) he's right and sincere, then perhaps histiorically he'll be viewed in a different light. As it stands now I only see angry responses to what he says; I don't see what he has to gain. Unless he's right and sincere... then perhaps he's willing to ruin his popularity to fix a problem he thinks has ruined competitive cycling for honest athletes.

Just a thought...

The problem with GL is he makes sweeping statements in the hopes that one day there will be a case proving him right (which then must mean that he was right about everyone else he accused).
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Duh!!!!

GL is stating the obvious. Everyone wants the truth. But unfortunately most people have a version of the truth that they expect to hear. What annoys me about GL is that he isn't factoring in the circumstantial evidence. He basically trying to make himself seem like he was the only dang cyclist who won without cheating. PLEASE get over LA. He is *****ing about this because he so friggin jealous he wasn't smart enough to not get shot in a hunting accident or smart enough to not let Hinault cheat him out of win. He believes he could have won seven. So to keep his name alive he is denigrating any American that wins. Notice he didn't attack Ulrich when he won the tour. It appears to me he wants to be the only American that ever won the tour.

Here are the issues with this whole mess:
1 - steroids cannot be used for one day. So Landis would have had a series of shots to boost his performance.
2 - If steroids made the difference then why did Landis crack on stage 16?
3 - The test used for steroids in blood has some problems.
4 - The organization to be fair could ask that Landis undergo analysis to determine if high-testo levels were drug induced or a natural phenomena of alcohol, cortisone shots or other factors.
5 - What were Landis' testorone counts the day before and day after. If significantly different is it medically possible for someone undergoing steroid injections to be able to have normal range testo levels the day before and the day after?
re: 4 Voight has pointed out, those testosterone records are a part of every riders medical file so it will be easy enough to verify or refrute what Landis has said about normal levels.
re: 5 there would have been no reason to test the 29th place stage finisher/3rd place GC rider the following day.
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The full Lemond quote as reported in other media reports (links to which are posted on BF in other threads) starts out with I hope its not true, and then goes on to say if he's confirmed positive... Now it would be more diplomatic to wait until its confirmed or not, but I don't think there's much wrong with what he said. And if you substitute "Santiago Botero" for "Floyd Landis" I'd wager not a soul on this board would have a problem with the statement. (or at least there wasn't much concern for Botero at the time).
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I tried the "Santiago Botero" substitution.
Convicting someone, ANYONE, before they are PROVEN guilty still bugs me.



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I'm so fed up with Greg Lemond and his mouth, that I would give up cycling before I rode a Lemond bike.
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I tried the "Santiago Botero" substitution.
Convicting someone, ANYONE, before they are PROVEN guilty still bugs me.



then why didn't you post a thread Botero is getting screwed being pulled from the tour just because its alleged he was in OP. I didn't see a whole lot of sympathy on here for those guys. But don''t mess with our hero
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well i think most are using something and i think GL did too.
This not the case. If you read Eddie B's book and other comments by people in GL's era you would know that GL did not juice up.

According to Eddie, he even refused vitamin booster shots early in his career while with the USA Cycling program.

So, I can understand his distressed anger at dopers in this era of cycling.
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then why didn't you post a thread Botero is getting screwed being pulled from the tour just because its alleged he was in OP. I didn't see a whole lot of sympathy on here for those guys. But don''t mess with our hero
Proabably because I was in France, RIDING the tour route during late June into July, and watching the tour, not logging in here.
As a matter of fact, I think ALL the riders who got jerked from TDF the day before the start because of allegations in OP were screwed. If Basso, Ulrich, etc. are cleared, I hope they sue their teams into bankruptcy.
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I used to be a huge LeMond fan. I was on my knees screaming in front of the TV the day he beat Fignion by 8 seconds. Now I just wish he'd go away and be quiet. If Armstrong and/or Landis are ever found beyond a doubt to be guilty then I'll apologize. But until then LeMond needs to live with the fact that other Americans have won the TDF and shut up.

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We all want the truth. GL was one hell of a racer and will forever have my respect concerning his Tour victories. Regarding the current matters, I wish he would resist speaking until he knows all the facts.
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We all want the truth. GL was one hell of a racer and will forever have my respect concerning his Tour victories. Regarding the current matters, I wish he would resist speaking until he knows all the facts.
I'd be quite happy enough to see that in here as well.

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