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    Synthetic testosterone found in Landis urine sample

    July 31, 2006

    NEW YORK (AP) -- Lab tests show that some of the testosterone in Floyd Landis' urine sample taken at the Tour de France was synthetic and not naturally produced by his body as he had claimed, according to a newspaper report.

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    Old news. We've been discussing this in the Tests thread since at least oh 7/28... ;-)

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    I apologise... there's new information... from a source at the UCI...
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/31/sp...rtner=homepage

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    Looks bad for Floyd but I'll wait for the official word.

    I'm not giving him a break or a pass and if he's guilty he needs to go but I'm tired of all this annonyous source stuff. I'm not saying the info is wrong, we'll find out for sure but the leaking is wrong. There's a process that's supposed to be followed that gives the accused athlete some confidentiality until the tests are officially confirmed and it appears, at least to me, that the UCI isn't even trying to follow their own procedure. To me that's very poor and makes me question the ethics of the people who run the sport.

    (No, that's not a "Floyd was framed" conspiracy call just an observation about how a process has been ignored and that nothing good can come out of these leaks.

    Gatlin is facing a lifetime ban but at least the USADA followed confidentiality guidelines in that case.

    Gatlin is a bigger name than Landis too.
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    Question for chemists: Is this isotope testing black-or-white? I mean no room for other intrepretation?

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    The more info that comes up, the more hosed FLANDIS looks. Can't think of anything that sounds good so far except for his denial. But so far out of the last like 50 doping cases like 3 people have admitted it, so I'm not really sure that is even worth mentioning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlotta
    Old news. We've been discussing this in the Tests thread since at least oh 7/28... ;-)
    Sorry, I had it dated wrong. It just came out this afternoon. 7/31/06

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    Quote Originally Posted by LA_Rider
    Sorry, I had it dated wrong. It just came out this afternoon. 7/31/06
    Sorry for jumping to the *** in my initial response. The new bit of news with this report is the confirmation of the IRMS coming from the UCI (and not the beleaguered L'Equipe). Wonder when Landis will speak publicly next? Someone said he's going to be on the Leno on Thursday? I wonder if that will get re-scheduled given the scheduling of the B-Sample counter-analysis?

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    It looks REALLY bad for Floyd because he's been delaying the B sample test.

    From the N Y Times:

    Pat McQuaid, the president of the cycling body, which is known by its French acronym, U.C.I., said last night that the organization had contacted the French lab at 5 p.m. in Paris to see if Landis’s request had been received. When the lab said no, McQuaid said U.C.I. asked the lab to analyze Landis’s B sample, which he said was allowed under the organization’s rules.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/01/sp...rtner=homepage

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    Quote Originally Posted by silversmith
    It looks REALLY bad for Floyd because he's been delaying the B sample test.

    From the N Y Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/01/sp...rtner=homepage
    Delaying? His Spanish lawyer files the B sample test request in Paris 2 business days after the story of the test abnormallity broke, 3 from when he was notified-a story that according to procedures is not supposed to even be published. If I were his attorney and filed a paper the same day I wrote it, particularly when the deadline wasn't immediate, I'd be worrying about malpractice.

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    It looks REALLY bad for Floyd because he's been delaying the B sample test.
    Dude, Floyd himself has said right from the start that he expects the B sample to also be positive.

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    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...OzU&refer=home

    Landis' High Testosterone Wasn't Natural, NYT Says (Correct)
    (Corrects type of test in first paragraph.)

    July 31 (Bloomberg) -- Floyd Landis, winner of the Tour de France, had testosterone in his urine that came from an external source, the New York Times said, citing an unidentified person at the International Cycling Union who had knowledge of the results.

    A carbon isotope ratio test, which can detect whether testosterone is natural or not, showed Landis had a synthetic hormone in his system, the Times said, citing the person. The test was run on the first of two urine samples Landis provided after his victory in Stage 17 of the Tour, it said.

    Landis has maintained that his elevated testosterone was produced by his own body, the Times said.

    The cyclist had an 11-to-1 ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone in his body, the newspaper said, citing Landis's doctor, Brent Kay. The normal range is between 1-to-1 and 2-to-1, and cycling regulators limit riders to a level of 4-to-1, the Times reported.

    (NYT 7-31 online)
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    Quote Originally Posted by EURO
    Dude, Floyd himself has said right from the start that he expects the B sample to also be positive.
    Elevated and synthetic testosterone are two different findings. Elevevated allows some wiggle room in interpretation. Synthetic seems to be rather black and white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EURO
    Dude, Floyd himself has said right from the start that he expects the B sample to also be positive.
    And he also said that his testosterone levels are naturally high and it's all endogenous.

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    Landis testosterone synthetic: Report

    http://torontosun.canoe.ca/Sports/Ot...12942-sun.html

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    That's what he gets for shaking hands at the start line with all those T-Mobile guys.
    I guess some of it rubbed off.

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    Ok, we've known for some time that L'Equipe reported a positive Isotope test, that its standard WADA procedure to do the Isotope test on the A sample if the T/E is high, that Landis' lawyer was denigrating the isotope test. Yet, a number of posters thought it was a lie because the published sources traced back to those lying french bastards at l'Equipe. Feeling a little foolish now that the NY Times is reporting it from a source other than L'Equipe?

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    Oh hell, let's not wait for anything official. Let's go with the 'reports' of some scum bag journalists.
    Let's just have a public stoning of Flandis right now!



    If he's really found to be guilty, then he should be banned forever. Until then, it's rumours and speculation.

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    My biggest problem is with all the leaks and lack of following protocol by the UCI, the lab, etc. In my mind it helps to discredit them. However, synthetic testosterone is synthetic testosterone. If that stuff is in the B sample, he deserves to be thrown out. Looks like my only hero is back to being Rocky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iluvfreebeer
    Oh hell, let's not wait for anything official. Let's go with the 'reports' of some scum bag journalists.
    Let's just have a public stoning of Flandis right now!



    If he's really found to be guilty, then he should be banned forever. Until then, it's rumours and speculation.

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    no, but now we have a report sourced from the UCI itself. The rumors and speculation come from the UCI Anti-Doping department... when you say "found to be guilty" do you mean USADA, CAS... or do we have to have videotape?

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    He said he had nothing to lose before his epic stage 17 ride, so why not use the juice? If he gets caught, they take away something he knew he couldn't get anyway. Just my two cents...
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    Quote Originally Posted by iluvfreebeer
    Oh hell, let's not wait for anything official. Let's go with the 'reports' of some scum bag journalists.
    Let's just have a public stoning of Flandis right now!



    If he's really found to be guilty, then he should be banned forever. Until then, it's rumours and speculation.

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    I could buy your post, if you deleted your signature "I believe in Floyd". You're asking us not to prejudge his guilt, while you're proclaiming his innocence. Obviously this is all somewhat speculative, till its run its course, but I find it somewhat surprising the number of people who steadfastly proclaim his innoncence when the available evidence makes it look very likely he's going down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlotta
    when you say "found to be guilty" do you mean USADA, CAS... or do we have to have videotape?
    If the process of the UCI finds him guilty, then I'll tie the noose. I HATE cheaters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
    I could buy your post, if you deleted your signature "I believe in Floyd". You're asking us not to prejudge his guilt, while you're proclaiming his innocence. Obviously this is all somewhat speculative, till its run its course, but I find it somewhat surprising the number of people who steadfastly proclaim his innoncence when the available evidence makes it look very likely he's going down.

    I'm not selling my post. I don't give a damn if you 'buy' it or not.
    I BELIEVE IN FLOYD merely means, until he's proven guilty, I'll believe him.
    I believed Tyler might have been innocent, until the scientific evidence and MOUNTAIN of circumstantial evidence proved that he's a cheating dirtbag. Same for other cheaters.

    If there's synthetic testosterone, as these unsubstantiated LEAKS are 'reporting', hang him.

    We all need to have a basic mistrust of THE MAN.
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