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    Pereiro says he feels like the Tour Champion

    http://sport.guardian.co.uk/breaking...995917,00.html

    Spanish rider Oscar Pereiro said on Saturday he felt like the winner of the Tour de France even though he still had to wait for official confirmation.

    "After hearing the result of the B test this morning I feel 99 percent champion," Pereiro told a news conference.

    "There are some bureaucratic steps still to go and we don't know what the lawyers will do, so I must wait some days or weeks before I know for sure."

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    When asked to comment Pererio had this to say "Boy Howdy am a glad I did not a get caught."
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    Quote Originally Posted by spearce
    When asked to comment Pererio had this to say "Boy Howdy am a glad I did not a get caught."
    In fact, he did not test positive. Based on the rules of the sport and the governing sanctioning body, his statement is accurate. Whether or not he's clean is simply conjecture. By the rules governing the Tour,
    he is clean and in all likelihood will be awarded the Tour title.
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    How nice for Pererio to feel that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor98
    How nice for Pererio to feel that way.
    yep especially since his buddy handed him the race TWICE !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor98
    How nice for Pererio to feel that way.
    Periero also stated earlier that winning the Tour by virtue of it being awarded to him due to another rider being disqualified would be "a bureaucratic victory" and that it would not be the same as being named the champion on the Champs-Elysees with the cheering crowds on the day that the race ended. I think he is less than delighted that he is going to win the title after the fact.

    As for your post, it sounds like you believe that Periero doped..but you have no proof. Unfortunately for Landis, there is proof.

    I agree with Periero that I as well would like to see a Tour champion crowned as a result on what occurs on the road, not in the laboratory. Due to this year's problems, the Tour and the sport of cycling face a very uncertain future which affects all cycling fans and riders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Pedale
    As for your post, it sounds like you believe that Periero doped..but you have no proof.
    Really, you read that into my statement? I don't care if Floyd, Periero or anyone else doped. It makes no difference to me at all. I was just stating that it is nice that Periero has feelings one way or another- I was dismissive of his feelings rather than judging him for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Pedale
    Periero also stated earlier that winning the Tour by virtue of it being awarded to him due to another rider being disqualified would be "a bureaucratic victory" and that it would not be the same as being named the champion on the Champs-Elysees with the cheering crowds on the day that the race ended. I think he is less than delighted that he is going to win the title after the fact.

    As for your post, it sounds like you believe that Periero doped..but you have no proof. Unfortunately for Landis, there is proof.

    I agree with Periero that I as well would like to see a Tour champion crowned as a result on what occurs on the road, not in the laboratory. Due to this year's problems, the Tour and the sport of cycling face a very uncertain future which affects all cycling fans and riders.

    how long have you been following the tour? you think this year's scandal is really worse than previous years?

    periero would have never won without being spotted 30 minutes. my take is he'll be happier than a punk in a pecker tree to get the title and the MONEY .

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    "After hearing the result of the B test this morning I feel 99 percent champion," Pereiro told a news conference.

    And the other 1% would be?
    Would you like a dream with that?

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    The winner of the tour is the highest place doper who doesn't get caught.
    It has been this way for decades.
    I see no reason to change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Pedale
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    Due to this year's problems, the Tour and the sport of cycling face a very uncertain future which affects all cycling fans and riders.
    Your concern is well founded. I won't be watching the tour next year. It's like Major League Baseball. I don't care anymore. Looking for another sport to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Pedale
    As for your post, it sounds like you believe that Periero doped..but you have no proof.

    But does the tour officials have proof, or for that matter does the UCI? Was periero even tested? I have my doubts that he was. It seems that when an American does well in the tour he is the only one tested or the only one tested more then anyone else. Officials do this & call it random testing. Yeah right. They are so hard up to not have an American win or do well they'll do anything to prevent it. Who does the testing? An independent lab? Or one selected by the UCI or the tour? Seems rigged to me. Test results can be falsified no matter what anyone says. I have a hunch either the test was contaminated or the results were documented wrong.

    Also Floyd had had cortison shots because of his hip. Cortison is a synthetic steroid. If I am not mistaken if a racer has any treatments like that he has to disclose it to officials, which I'm sure Floyd did. Do they not believe it that treatments such as this can cause the results in the testing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Pedale
    In fact, he did not test positive. Based on the rules of the sport and the governing sanctioning body, his statement is accurate. Whether or not he's clean is simply conjecture. By the rules governing the Tour,
    he is clean and in all likelihood will be awarded the Tour title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N_C
    But does the tour officials have proof, or for that matter does the UCI? Was periero even tested? I have my doubts that he was. It seems that when an American does well in the tour he is the only one tested or the only one tested more then anyone else. Officials do this & call it random testing. Yeah right. They are so hard up to not have an American win or do well they'll do anything to prevent it. Who does the testing? An independent lab? Or one selected by the UCI or the tour? Seems rigged to me. Test results can be falsified no matter what anyone says. I have a hunch either the test was contaminated or the results were documented wrong.

    Also Floyd had had cortison shots because of his hip. Cortison is a synthetic steroid. If I am not mistaken if a racer has any treatments like that he has to disclose it to officials, which I'm sure Floyd did. Do they not believe it that treatments such as this can cause the results in the testing?
    Pereiro was tested four times..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Pedale
    Pereiro was tested four times..

    And stayed ahead of the science for testing.... Floyd wouldn't have gotten caught if he took the patch off on time. Look at Lance.... he never failed a drug test..... and we all know he was clean
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    Quote Originally Posted by squeakywheel
    Your concern is well founded. I won't be watching the tour next year. It's like Major League Baseball. I don't care anymore. Looking for another sport to watch.

    Ditto for me. Not much enjoyment (or sport) for that matter watching pharmaceutically enhanced freaks scamper up big mountains with european names. Besides, the winner won't really be known until the drug testing and relevant appeals are complete. They should call the A drug testing Stage 21, B drug testing Stage 22, and resolution of appeals/arbitration stage 23. I still had some (perhaps naive) hope at the outset that cycling was cleaning itself up - after all, it has more stringent testing standards than other sports. Operacion Puerto and Floyd have convinced me otherwise. Way to go Phlunkie Phonak Phloyd.

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    The stage winner and the Yellow Jersey are tested every day. Also three randomly selected riders and three controls (dunno who these may be, the moto guys? Medics? Journalists ?). Work out for yourselves how many times Oscar would have been tested.

    OTOH on this basis Floyd would have been tested several times also, since he was YJ several times. Tho' whereas from long experience I have no patience whatsoever with conspiracy theories, I'd still really really love to know what happened with those other tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanterne_rouge
    OTOH on this basis Floyd would have been tested several times also, since he was YJ several times. Tho' whereas from long experience I have no patience whatsoever with conspiracy theories, I'd still really really love to know what happened with those other tests.
    They were tested and did not reveal a high T:E ratio. Therefore no IRMS test was performed on them at the time. I imagine that they have retained what remains of those samples, as well as of the sample "B"s for those days, as is required by WADA.

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    Pereiro was less than a minute behind Landis, a rider caught doping. The idea that Landis was wonderful/glorious and Pereiro's performance that was 0.01% worse in time terms isn't anything to write home about strikes me as weird.

    Pereiro should be applauded for a great Tour in which he was the fastest athlete who abided by the rules. He has already been gracious enough to not bad mouth Landis after his A sample was positive, or 'usurp his throne' before the results came in and now others should congratulate him with the same grace instead of whining like sore losers.

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    Pereiro deserves the victory as much as Armstrong did all of his.

    Also remember Basso and Ullrich were robbed of the chance to take part on the day before the tour. Landis winning was as much of a gift as Pereiro winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxim
    Pereiro was less than a minute behind Landis, a rider caught doping. The idea that Landis was wonderful/glorious and Pereiro's performance that was 0.01% worse in time terms isn't anything to write home about strikes me as weird.

    Pereiro should be applauded for a great Tour in which he was the fastest athlete who abided by the rules. He has already been gracious enough to not bad mouth Landis after his A sample was positive, or 'usurp his throne' before the results came in and now others should congratulate him with the same grace instead of whining like sore losers.
    Agreed...Pereiro and Landis are friends..Oscar would have preferred to have won on the streets of France instead of gaining the title by virtue of his friend failing a lab test. He was gracious throughout the tour, especially after the last time trial when he warmly congratulated Landis. His statements after the tour were not out of line and were quite reasonable for a competitor in his position. He deserves to be champion unless something quite miraculous occurs that would enable Floyd to keep his title.
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    What about the Astana team who were all cleared a couple of days after the tour ended. This is not an anti American stance. Alot of guys got hung out to dry on this one.
    Floyd got caught. Sucks to be him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G. Bucci
    What about the Astana team who were all cleared a couple of days after the tour ended.
    I think you'll find if you dig a bit that the 'Astana Five' were cleared by a Spanish court of any criminal wrongdoing.

    This is not surprising, since at the time sports doping was (is?) not a criminal offence in Spain (though I believe this about to change, not sure of the date, hence the query).

    This 'clearance' therefore has very little relevance in judging whether or not the individuals involved actually doped.

    The one I really feel sorry for is Vino. Not saying he'd have won the Tour (I just don't think he has the tactical nous to do this, never mind his evident raw power) but he was prevented from starting and perhaps from contesting KoM by his team lacking the minimum number of (non-tainted) riders, not by any first hand association with Operacion Puerto.

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    Spain passed an anti-sports cheating law in March of this year, the law covers doping thus they [these riders] would be criminally liable is so implicated. Furthermore, the judge cleared them of any involvement not just criminal wrongdoing. Your analysis of them is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor98
    Spain passed an anti-sports cheating law in March of this year, the law covers doping thus they [these riders] would be criminally liable is so implicated. Furthermore, the judge cleared them of any involvement not just criminal wrongdoing. Your analysis of them is wrong.
    No. Spanish law in force at the time of Operacion Puerto (and even now) does not criminalize doping for athletes (the law is a draft law and is expected to come into force by the end of the year). The last I read is that it was approved by the government and had been sent to the Spanish legislature.

    http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/pro...to893029.shtml

    BTW, could you please cite some sources that indicate that the judge has cleared the riders of any involvement. I have not found any statements from credible sources that go that far. Only which say that the athletes will not be charged in any criminal proceedings.

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