Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Professional Cycling For the Fans Follow the Tour de France,the Giro de Italia, the Spring Classics, or other professional cycling races? Here's your home...

View Poll Results: Does Lance sound guilty when he defends Riis?
Yes, these are not the words of someone innocent of doping. 14 21.21%
No, Lance's attack on Prudhomme is reasonable and not suspicious. 45 68.18%
Well, it does make me wonder. 3 4.55%
Other 4 6.06%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-06-07, 02:05 PM   #1
Helmet Head
Banned.
Thread Starter
 
Helmet Head's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
Bikes:
Posts: 13,075
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Lance sounds guilty?

Armstrong slams Prudhomme

By Gregor Brown

Seven-time Tour de France winner criticised Tour Director Christian Prudhomme for his actions regarding Bjarne Riis. The Texan referred to the Frenchman as a "hypocrite" for wanting to take away Riis 1996 Tour jersey following the Dane's confession to doping during the same year.

"The hypocrisy of certain directors irritates me," Armstrong said, according to La Gazzetta dello Sport. "After the confession of Riis, Prudhomme asked for the return of the yellow jersey. Why did he never ask Virenque for his polka-dot jerseys? To Thévenet for his two yellow jerseys? The family of Anquetil for his five yellow jerseys?"
...


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...l07/jul06news3

These words raise a few questions, eh?
  1. Did Thévenet and Anquetil admit to doping? If so, was it clearly against the rules back then as it was in the case of Riis?
  2. Cycling is apparently trying to get more serious about doping. Is Lance on board with this?
  3. Of all the wrongs out there in the world that Lance could have chosen to speak out against, is this one really worthy? What could Lance's motivation be for opposing retroactive yellow jersey returns? Could it have something to do with protecting a significant portion of his own wardrobe?
Helmet Head is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-07, 02:28 PM   #2
alanbikehouston
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Bikes:
Posts: 5,251
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The riders Armstrong referred to either were suspended for failing drug tests or made admissions to it. Some of the "admissions" are a bit vague, belong to the school of: "Did I dope? Well, you don't win the Tour on merely mineral water and vitamins..."
alanbikehouston is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-07, 03:36 PM   #3
skinny
Senior Member
 
skinny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 821
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmet Head[*
Cycling is apparently trying to get more serious about doping. Is Lance on board with this?[*] Of all the wrongs out there in the world that Lance could have chosen to speak out against, is this one really worthy? What could Lance's motivation be for opposing retroactive yellow jersey returns? Could it have something to do with protecting a significant portion of his own wardrobe?[/list]
These are pertinent questions.
skinny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-07, 04:48 PM   #4
adamastor
My Name is Nobody
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Europe
Bikes: Marin, Peugeot, My Grandmother's Bike
Posts: 314
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Armstrong slams Prudhomme

By Gregor Brown

Seven-time Tour de France winner criticised Tour Director Christian Prudhomme for his actions regarding Bjarne Riis. The Texan referred to the Frenchman as a "hypocrite" for wanting to take away Riis 1996 Tour jersey following the Dane's confession to doping during the same year.

"The hypocrisy of certain directors irritates me," Armstrong said, according to La Gazzetta dello Sport. "After the confession of Riis, Prudhomme asked for the return of the yellow jersey. Why did he never ask Virenque for his polka-dot jerseys? To Thévenet for his two yellow jerseys? The family of Anquetil for his five yellow jerseys?"
...


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...l07/jul06news3

These words raise a few questions, eh?
  1. Did Thévenet and Anquetil admit to doping? If so, was it clearly against the rules back then as it was in the case of Riis?
  2. Cycling is apparently trying to get more serious about doping. Is Lance on board with this?
  3. Of all the wrongs out there in the world that Lance could have chosen to speak out against, is this one really worthy? What could Lance's motivation be for opposing retroactive yellow jersey returns? Could it have something to do with protecting a significant portion of his own wardrobe?
Armstrong is wrong. Prudhomme never said, Riis should give back his yellow jersey. He denied having said it. It was actually Pat Mcquaid who said it.
adamastor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-07, 05:02 PM   #5
chipcom 
Infamous Member
 
chipcom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ohio
Bikes: Surly Big Dummy, Fuji World, 80ish Bianchi
Posts: 24,366
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Porcupines
__________________
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
chipcom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-07, 08:52 PM   #6
roadgator
raodmaster shaman
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: G-ville
Bikes:
Posts: 1,431
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by adamastor
Armstrong is wrong. Prudhomme never said, Riis should give back his yellow jersey. He denied having said it. It was actually Pat Mcquaid who said it.
Riis offered to return his jersey. something to the effect of "if they want it they can come get it, i dont need it."

while i tend to agree that stripping Riis of the victory is largely pointless and perhaps hypocritical, im surpised LA is piping up on the subject, given that hes just a few whispers and b samples away from Riis in the realm of doped champs.
roadgator is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-07, 09:53 PM   #7
djgonzo007
Sprint the hills!
 
djgonzo007's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: South Pasadena, CA
Bikes: Klein Q-Pro w/Campy, Dahon MU P8
Posts: 611
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmet Head
[color=blue]Armstrong slams Prudhomme"The hypocrisy of certain directors irritates me," Armstrong said, according to La Gazzetta dello Sport. "After the confession of Riis, Prudhomme asked for the return of the yellow jersey. Why did he never ask Virenque for his polka-dot jerseys? To Thévenet for his two yellow jerseys? The family of Anquetil for his five yellow jerseys?"
Maybe its just me but isn't Armstrong's point about equal treatment of those busted for doping?
__________________
-----------------------------------------------------------------

'06 Klein Q-Pro with Campy
'09 Dahon Mu P8
djgonzo007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-07, 02:38 PM   #8
enjoi
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: 804
Bikes: giant TCR campy-shimano mix/ Trek fuel 80/ Fuji track
Posts: 293
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by djgonzo007
Maybe its just me but isn't Armstrong's point about equal treatment of those busted for doping?
thats how i read it, but words can easily be turned into something they are not.
enjoi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-07, 05:18 PM   #9
G. Bucci
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Bikes: Two Fishers and one Cannondale
Posts: 152
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Riis came out and admitted. Good for him.

Does anyone else feel like I do. It sounds like EVERYONE was doping.

He still won! He is a great ambassador of the sport and loves the sport. He is from Belgium and worked for an East German team that is known for it's systematic doping of athletes.

Let's not lose sight that this is a great sport and a PHENOMINAL race.

This is pretty much the only TV that me and my family watch. 3 hours a night for 3 weeks.
It's fun

Stay upright

Winnipeg, Canada
G. Bucci is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-07, 02:12 AM   #10
adamastor
My Name is Nobody
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Europe
Bikes: Marin, Peugeot, My Grandmother's Bike
Posts: 314
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by G. Bucci

He still won! He is a great ambassador of the sport and loves the sport. He is from Belgium and worked for an East German team that is known for it's systematic doping of athletes.

Winnipeg, Canada
You are joking,right? Or did I miss something here? Riis is not from Belgium, but from Denmark. He rode for many teams (he even was a helper for Hinault), but Deutsche Telekom was not East German. It was formed in 1996 (there was no East Germany left), and its head quarters were in Bonn (ex-West Germany).

And if you're trying to find an analogy with doping in East Germany in the 70's, the doctors of Telekom admitting to helping with doping a couple of months ago were from Freiburg, and that's in ex-West Germany too.

Oh, and other piece of news, Riis used to live in Luxembourg, reason why he hired the Schleck brothers. Luxembourg, small country stuck between Germany, Belgium and France. But careful, Luxembourg is NOT Belgium. Own culture, own history, own language. OK?

Sorry for being touchy about Europe, I have to admit I have no clue where Winnipeg is compared to, say, Quebec...;o)

Have a nice day (Ia dmire people who watch 3 hours of cycling furing the night)
adamastor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-07, 04:44 AM   #11
ElJamoquio
Burning Matches.
 
ElJamoquio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: San Jose, CA
Bikes: Motobecane Le Champion SL, Cervelo P2SL
Posts: 9,666
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 70 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by roadgator
while i tend to agree that stripping Riis of the victory is largely pointless and perhaps hypocritical, im surpised LA is piping up on the subject, given that hes just a few whispers and b samples away from Riis in the realm of doped champs.
And 'A' samples, unless I've missed something. But other than that, you're right, there's been rumors, just like the rumor I started about you yesterday.
__________________
Reacting is mind candy; it requires no thought. Thinking is tedious.

Bikeforums 'Group Buy': Kinlin Rims, Sapim/DT Spokes, Formula/Bitex Hubs


"The only good race pace is suicide pace, and today looks like a good day to die."
-Steve Prefontaine
ElJamoquio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-07, 08:25 AM   #12
S. cerevisiae
Knows where his towel is
 
S. cerevisiae's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Portage county, Ohio
Bikes: Redline Monocog 29er, Schwinn Worldsport, AMF roadie
Posts: 35
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Ok, I think it's alright for a past champion to comment on someone or some organization that that champion has problems with. I read the comment as fair treatment for all champions that may have some skeletons in their closets.

That being said I also believe that everyone in pro cycling at that level dope(d)(s). Much the same as power hitters in MLB, and just about everyone in NFL. If that's the case they are already on a level playing field...

All the same, I don't like doping as it doesn't really test the rider. Instead, it tests their sports physician, and pharmacist. I'd rather it were a clean playing field as that, in my opinion, would more equally test their talent and willingness to endure pain.

Just sayin'
S. cerevisiae is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:33 PM.