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    Does Evans stand a chance?

    I'm really hoping so.

    I feel asleep before the start of the Galibier last night but I just check the GC standings. I nearly **** myself with glee when I saw he'd moved up two positions in one stage. Considering he's pretty much Australia's only hope now I'm definitely behind him.

    How did he manage to move up so much in one stage?
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    A chance yes. A podium likely, but this year is strange, and Evans could crack any day along with all of the other GC guys.

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    Believe it or not, he actually attacked a couple times.

    He's riding very well this tour, and is the best-placed good time trialist IMO.

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    If Kloden isn't affected by his injuries he will lay down the law in the time trials.

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    My biggest fear right now is something illicit being found in his blood

    I almost cried when I heard McEwen and O'Grady were out. I don't think I'd be able to cope with another one out because they were doping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DC Bruz View Post

    I almost cried when I heard McEwen and O'Grady were out.

    WTF?

    you need to get out more.

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    Rogers I felt bad for

    O'Grady I felt bad for

    McEwen is such a wheel sucking no account he wont be missed by me.

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    I'd have to say "I don't know". After stage 16, I'll give you my opinion. Too many possible scenarios. About the only prediction I think is safe is Contador winning the White jersey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ed073 View Post
    WTF?

    you need to get out more.
    I get out plenty. I just had really high hopes for McEwen coming into this thing it was really disappointing hearing that was out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reef58 View Post
    Rogers I felt bad for

    O'Grady I felt bad for

    McEwen is such a wheel sucking no account he wont be missed by me.

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    what on earth are you talking about? mcewen has won more stages with less support than any other rider in recent history.

    evans certainly has a chance. i would say he is behind only klodie and contador, and maybe valverde (depending on what form he displays TTing this tour).

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    He is akin to a field goal kicker in football. During time trials he rides around the course like he is on parade. His support is sucking wheel, although not necessarily a teamates until 300 meters to the finish.

    I know I know he is paid to win sprints, but so is Zabel, and Boonen.

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    the difference is, that boonen and zabel are good powerful enough riders to nab a yellow after time bonuses if they put in good ITT's at certain points. it's not liek you don't see boonen and zabel in the gruppetto once the stages get really high.

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    I actually like the sprinters who are able to win chaotic sprints where no teams have it under control (McEwen being a prime example). Although I appreciate watching the Milram train set something up for a rider like Alessandro Petacchi, it just isn't as entertaining IMO.

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    No the difference is Robbie is lazy. He didn't have any problem keeping up with Boonen during last year's time trial. Once Boonen caught him he had a wheel to suck, and generally wanted to annoy Boonen.

    Even though Boonen knew he was not going to win the time trial, and wouldn't stay in yellow he rode his butt off.

    I can't deny Robbie can sprint like a mad man he just doesn't seem to have any class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintAndrew View Post
    the difference is, that boonen and zabel are good powerful enough riders to nab a yellow after time bonuses if they put in good ITT's at certain points. it's not liek you don't see boonen and zabel in the gruppetto once the stages get really high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reef58 View Post
    No the difference is Robbie is lazy. He didn't have any problem keeping up with Boonen during last year's time trial. Once Boonen caught him he had a wheel to suck, and generally wanted to annoy Boonen.

    Even though Boonen knew he was not going to win the time trial, and wouldn't stay in yellow he rode his butt off.

    I can't deny Robbie can sprint like a mad man he just doesn't seem to have any class.

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    you know the same was said about mario cippolini in the earlier part of his career...before his record number of wins ... but now we know the lionking probably won his sprints and abandoned to stay a step ahead of the doping checks

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    no class is cippo not even going for first week stage wins and not even trying to finish the race. robbie, on the other hand, has won the green jersey 3 times. there's nothing wrong with being tactical when you're going after the second biggest prize in the TdF, and you have absolutely no chance at the yellow. it's just plain stupid to go balls out on a stage you can't even not lose time in.

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    I don't dispute your logic. I just am not a fan. I wish I had his sprint!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintAndrew View Post
    no class is cippo not even going for first week stage wins and not even trying to finish the race. robbie, on the other hand, has won the green jersey 3 times. there's nothing wrong with being tactical when you're going after the second biggest prize in the TdF, and you have absolutely no chance at the yellow. it's just plain stupid to go balls out on a stage you can't even not lose time in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC Bruz View Post
    I'm really hoping so.

    I feel asleep before the start of the Galibier last night but I just check the GC standings. I nearly **** myself with glee when I saw he'd moved up two positions in one stage. Considering he's pretty much Australia's only hope now I'm definitely behind him.

    How did he manage to move up so much in one stage?
    After seeing his attacking style today (at last), I think he has a chance but I feel Valverde and Kloden are going to get the better of him.

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    i can definitely feel where you're coming from as well, but i think that when robbie is going against zabel and thor, he has always needed to be tactical and go for the flat stage wins where he has a sharp advantage. hell, i would like to see evans show more balls as well, but the reverse side of that is a guy like merckx or hinault, who, no matter how great they were, take alot of competition out of cycling. sure it's amazing to see the same guy kick ass in every area of racing, and be aggressive, but it's much more interesting to see the TTer vs. climber battle in a grand tour IMO, much like it's interesting to see the juggernaut sprinter vs. the guy who's a little ore well-rounded who can grab other bonuses.
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    I don't dispute your logic. I just am not a fan. I wish I had his sprint!

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    I saw some highlights on my lunch break and I'm kicking myself not staying awake
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    Quote Originally Posted by reef58 View Post
    McEwen is such a wheel sucking no account he wont be missed by me.

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    WTF? He's a sprinter, of course he sits on wheels. Then he rides off them, very fast. That's what sprinters do. As someone else pointed out earlier, there's no point in McEwen attacking the prologue like Boonen. He's paid to win stages, not to be a time-triallist. It would be plain stupid of him to waste energy.

    Did you not see stage 1? McEwen is one of the most exciting riders in the peloton, one of the best bike handlers, and has won three green jerseys and 12 Tour stages. This is hardly the mark of a soft or lazy man!

    As for Cadel.... definite podium chance, but the race is still so open it's impossible to say much more than that.
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    McEwen doesn't particularly need your advice, he already has three green jerseys. how many do you have?

    wheel sucking and playing the field, waiting for the right time and the right lead rider to jump are tactics, mate. TACTICS that win races. he has won more stages than anyone else here, so i think you're just crying that he's not American.

    FYI, lance was the same. when it did not matter to his race plan, he sat back and cruised, and he had a whole team surrounding him to make sure nothing happened. he only pushed when he had something to gain. what's the difference?
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    I think Evans is more of a chance to win now that McEwen is out of the race. He has the whole team to work for him now instead of some being used to work for McEwen. To win though he will have to be more aggressive and pick times when he can get time up on the other GC contenders.
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    I think you miss my point. I was not giving RM advice. I was merely pointing out I don't like him. I am sure he is heart broken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urodacus View Post
    McEwen doesn't particularly need your advice, he already has three green jerseys. how many do you have?

    wheel sucking and playing the field, waiting for the right time and the right lead rider to jump are tactics, mate. TACTICS that win races. he has won more stages than anyone else here, so i think you're just crying that he's not American.

    FYI, lance was the same. when it did not matter to his race plan, he sat back and cruised, and he had a whole team surrounding him to make sure nothing happened. he only pushed when he had something to gain. what's the difference?

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    Yea he tried to attack Contador's rear wheel, but that did not work out too well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    attacking style? is that what that was?

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