Levi - One man's take on him so far
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Levi - One man's take on him so far
"Levi doesn't attack"
So far we have had one uphill finish of note that wasn't particulary steep and nobody gained a ton of time on their rivals except a lone breakaway artist who can't time trial, why would one attack?
Their have also been two mountain stages with a decent amount of time for any attackers to get caught back on the descent, why would one attack?
I think on two of the three mountain stages there have been teammates of Levi ahead in breakaways, should he pull everybody up to his teammates (see T-Mobile for answers to that question, they seem to have that in their playbook), why would one attack?
Tell me which stage Lance would have attacked and gained time on his rivals given this year's route?
This weekend will be the answer to all of the attack attack attack crowd.
Personally I think it will be Valverde doing it, but give Levi a break, so far all he has done is ride smartly and within himself.
Can't wait until Sunday when I belive the tour will be decided.
So far we have had one uphill finish of note that wasn't particulary steep and nobody gained a ton of time on their rivals except a lone breakaway artist who can't time trial, why would one attack?
Their have also been two mountain stages with a decent amount of time for any attackers to get caught back on the descent, why would one attack?
I think on two of the three mountain stages there have been teammates of Levi ahead in breakaways, should he pull everybody up to his teammates (see T-Mobile for answers to that question, they seem to have that in their playbook), why would one attack?
Tell me which stage Lance would have attacked and gained time on his rivals given this year's route?
This weekend will be the answer to all of the attack attack attack crowd.
Personally I think it will be Valverde doing it, but give Levi a break, so far all he has done is ride smartly and within himself.
Can't wait until Sunday when I belive the tour will be decided.
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"Levi doesn't attack"
So far we have had one uphill finish of note that wasn't particulary steep and nobody gained a ton of time on their rivals except a lone breakaway artist who can't time trial, why would one attack?
Their have also been two mountain stages with a decent amount of time for any attackers to get caught back on the descent, why would one attack?
I think on two of the three mountain stages there have been teammates of Levi ahead in breakaways, should he pull everybody up to his teammates (see T-Mobile for answers to that question, they seem to have that in their playbook), why would one attack?
Tell me which stage Lance would have attacked and gained time on his rivals given this year's route?
This weekend will be the answer to all of the attack attack attack crowd.
Personally I think it will be Valverde doing it, but give Levi a break, so far all he has done is ride smartly and within himself.
Can't wait until Sunday when I belive the tour will be decided.
So far we have had one uphill finish of note that wasn't particulary steep and nobody gained a ton of time on their rivals except a lone breakaway artist who can't time trial, why would one attack?
Their have also been two mountain stages with a decent amount of time for any attackers to get caught back on the descent, why would one attack?
I think on two of the three mountain stages there have been teammates of Levi ahead in breakaways, should he pull everybody up to his teammates (see T-Mobile for answers to that question, they seem to have that in their playbook), why would one attack?
Tell me which stage Lance would have attacked and gained time on his rivals given this year's route?
This weekend will be the answer to all of the attack attack attack crowd.
Personally I think it will be Valverde doing it, but give Levi a break, so far all he has done is ride smartly and within himself.
Can't wait until Sunday when I belive the tour will be decided.
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As was mentioned in another thread we are all spoiled from LA putting attacks on people and making them stick to the finish. Putting 10,20 60 or 120 into other riders on different stages.
Im adopting a wait and see approach...13,14 and 15 we will see.
Im adopting a wait and see approach...13,14 and 15 we will see.
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the onyl problem with the TS' viewpoint is that levi has been losing time in the mountains to people who generally time trial either at his level or better. sure chasing down every attack from any random climber os one thing, but losing time to the other GC men is another.
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Contador will finish higher on GC than Levi. If Disco had thought Levi could win the Tour they would have never signed Basso and all his baggage.
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Bruneel (sp?) is clearly not putting all his eggs in the Levi basket the way Popovich and Contador were let go on the climbs. "Domestiques" attacking in front of the "leader" never happened (until GC was buttoned up) under his direction with LA.
Im sure Discover is still hoping for a good result from Levi, but snagging stage wins with some of the other guys is probably of equal importance now with sponsorship in jeopardy.
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I think Levi is in great position. He's up a few minutes on Vinokourov and less than two minutes behind Valverde and Mayo.
Wait until the Pyrennes...
Lance wasn't always in yellow and attacking... Why would Levi?
P.S. He's not my favorite to win, but I could see him doing it.
Wait until the Pyrennes...
Lance wasn't always in yellow and attacking... Why would Levi?
P.S. He's not my favorite to win, but I could see him doing it.
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because lance generally beat everyone in the mountains and in the ITT's, and could count on gaining time in the TTT's as well. plus, it's not like pharmstrong would give away the jersey to a strong GC contender. how many times did he pass it to ullrich?? or beloki?? forget about the actual jersey, my point is that you don't want higher caliber (or even just close) GC riders than you ahead in time at any point of the race.
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Tell that to Joop Zoetemelk. Excellent time trialer, won 2 out of 4 ITTs in the 1980 TDF, never got on the podium on a mountain stage, and won because of attrition(Hinault injured) and excellent time trialing. It happens.
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because lance generally beat everyone in the mountains and in the ITT's, and could count on gaining time in the TTT's as well. plus, it's not like pharmstrong would give away the jersey to a strong GC contender. how many times did he pass it to ullrich?? or beloki?? forget about the actual jersey, my point is that you don't want higher caliber (or even just close) GC riders than you ahead in time at any point of the race.
Bottom line is what SA said, you never give time to your main rivals, unless what they are doing is seriously foolish (i.e. going on a long solo breakaway) and none of his rivals has done something stupid.
If you want an example of how holding back could be a bad strategy, just think of how things could really have gone wrong for LA had he not been lucky (emphasis on lucky) to dodge a sprawling Beloki or taco a wheel when he CXed while they were trying to chase down an attacking Vino on a downhill.
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and basso would have been the heavy favorite to win this race....sorta like vinokourev was a couple of days ago .
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Did anyone see George Hincapie's interview after the stage today? He was asked about Discovery's chances to win the GC and all he talked about was Contador. The interviewer had to mention Levi, and then George sorta mumbled something politcally correct about Levi riding well, too. I thought that spoke volumes about the thinking on the Disco team.
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Based on todays results, and Hincappies prior comments, I think Levi is done. The team will back Contadore. The only way Levi had a chance of remaining the leader of Disco was to have a good time trial today. Contadore beat him in the time trial, and is a better climber. Bruyneel would be crazy to continue supporting Levi as the team leader. If Disco has any chance at winning the tour, they need to begin concentrating on supporting Contadore and cut the dead weight.
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Based on todays results, and Hincappies prior comments, I think Levi is done. The team will back Contadore. The only way Levi had a chance of remaining the leader of Disco was to have a good time trial today. Contadore beat him in the time trial, and is a better climber. Bruyneel would be crazy to continue supporting Levi as the team leader. If Disco has any chance at winning the tour, they need to begin concentrating on supporting Contadore and cut the dead weight.
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Did anyone see George Hincapie's interview after the stage today? He was asked about Discovery's chances to win the GC and all he talked about was Contador. The interviewer had to mention Levi, and then George sorta mumbled something politcally correct about Levi riding well, too. I thought that spoke volumes about the thinking on the Disco team.
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Everyone wants to see attacks. They are turning points. They are exciting. Sometimes they succede but if you are not heads above your rivals you need to be judicious with your attacks.
"Lick your rival's plate clean before starting on your own."
"Lick your rival's plate clean before starting on your own."
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I don't think Levi is done yet. Contador is pretty much the ideal softener in the mountain stages. So is Popo for that matter. If their attacks crash and burn they will exhaust some of Levi's rivals in the process too. I would be surprised if they're going to be under strict orders to wait for him at this point though.
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But back to Levi... I will say that for someone that doesn't look to be doing much he's certainly moving up in the GC. I guess we'll have to wait and see...
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Every day Vino gets stronger, and Contadore is a better climber and a better TT. Just cant see him making the Podium let alone winning.
As a side note, I was happy to see Rasmussens time trial results. I am no fan, but it was good to see him overcome that demon.
As a side note, I was happy to see Rasmussens time trial results. I am no fan, but it was good to see him overcome that demon.
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If Disco flipped its "leadership" and had Popo and then Levi set a ridiculous pace up the climbs, Contador could launch a final attack strong enough to drop Rasmussen and everyone else.
Levi isnt going to win it (but could be on the podium), so disco should use him to win with Contador.
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Agree -I see no "spark" or "fight" from Levi, mnaybe that's just who he is. He is moving up in the standings, 4th as of now, but still looing time.
Maybe his plan is to let everybody else make mistakes while he rides a safe Tour.
Maybe his plan is to let everybody else make mistakes while he rides a safe Tour.