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    Is Levi toast? (no spoiler)

    It seems that time is running out, and Rasmussen and Contador are outperforming Levi. Is it too late now? And who now is the Disco team leader given the GC? I'd say Contador has a real shot at yellow in Paris, given his fine timetrialing (he beat Levi on first TT). Levi just keeps going deeper into the hole but doing pretty well. Your thoughts.....

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    Levi was toast before the race started. He was never. Yes never a threat for the overall GC. This man never attacks. He follows wheels and in this race you can't always follow, you have to separate yourself at some point and Levi can't, or won't do it.

    Contador has shown this season that he is a true candidate for TdF glory. One more year (if the sponsorship arrives) under JB's guidance he'll TT better and then, well we will see a great battle with him and guys like Andy Schleck, Thomas Dekker and few others.

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    easy to say now

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    I always struggle with what happens on the climbs, Contador attacks, Rasmussen follows, and Levi is left in the group. Sure I know he shouldn't go out front to chase down Contador (there's a difference between that and wheel sucking for the Levi-hating crowd) but if he just could make that acceleration he wouldn't have to sit in with the main group. Levi is just such a "steady pace" climber that he's left with guys like Sastre and Evans in the second group for sheer comforts sake.
    I wouldn't mind seeing Levi try some more explosive stuff (Anyone remember the Rettenbachferner in '05 Tour of Germany, not exactly explosive but he turned the screws enough on Ulrich) but I have realistic expectations and at the moment unless Johan absolutely forces him off the front on Wednesday I think Levi will be content to contend for a podium spot in the final TT. Either that or he may be praying that he is in the front group if lightning strikes and both Contador and Rasmussen blow off the back (not very likely)
    Either way, I still wish him the best of luck in the next week. GO LEVI!

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    Quote Originally Posted by waitasec View Post
    easy to say now
    except that EDR (and others) had been saying it long before tour even started...

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    He's not toast, he's WASA!
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    I was thinking there was some strategy going on using Contador to destroy Rasmussen, and he'd be there to lap up the victory. But now I don't think it's strategy at all. Contador is fighting for himself now and looking for yellow. Will Levi work for AC if need be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UT_Dude View Post
    he's WASA!
    Look out! Pcad's gonna rain down some fury when he finds out you used his word

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    Quote Originally Posted by allezsport View Post
    except that EDR (and others) had been saying it long before tour even started...
    Yep, you have to look at how this year has gone. There is no way that Disco would have signed Basso if they though Levi was capable of winning the Tour. Levi can win short stage races, and then only if he can completely control the race. If he has to make a move to separate himself form the rest then he's done.

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    As it stands now, Levi has to put a couple minutes into Cadel and Kloden if he wants to stand on the podium. I truly thought this would have been the day he'd have made his attack on, but now he's down to Wednesday, (or he was bluffing, or just wasn't up to it). Levi is doing a great job of riding like he's protecting a lead, and he certainly hasn't made any stupid moves, but with each passing day, it's looking like Johan was hoping for Contador to be the guy from the start.
    The search for inner peace continues...

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    I never saw Levi as a real contender. A good team can help you win, but, at some point, you have to stamp your authority on the race. Levi's been promising an attack. I just don't think he has the killer instinct or ability. Just my .02

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    It is hard to attack when you are struggling to hang on. Just ask Evans. Levi is riding at his ability. He is in fourth. Not a bad ride.

    Again better than Vino, Kloden, Sastre, Valverde, and on and on.

    Look at the thread who will win the TDF. The one with the poll. Levi is in second I believe to all of the choices.

    I guess all of those other world class riders suck to. The bums. Off with their heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shooter View Post
    I never saw Levi as a real contender. A good team can help you win, but, at some point, you have to stamp your authority on the race. Levi's been promising an attack. I just don't think he has the killer instinct or ability. Just my .02

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    I think Levi has a chance at the podium. Even if he gets fourth or fifth, how is that "toast?" He's a better athlete than most of us can even dream of being. All ye who criticize him, just think about what would happen is he showed up at your local training ride. Toast anyone?

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    Yep, Levi is second only to Evans of all the pre-race favorites. Contador has gained time on him primarily because he's been sent up the road to try to crack Rasmussen. If it wasn't for the fact that Chicken has suddenly found minutes in his long flat TT this race would be entirely different.

    To say that he never was a threat to the GC is just ridiculous. If Chicken hadn't put in the TT of his life on Saturday, they wouldn't have sent Contador up the road the last two days and this tour would be between Evans, Kloden and Leipheimer. He's had an excellent tour.

    Everybody just wants the "second coming of Lance". Not likely to happen anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
    Levi was toast before the race started. He was never. Yes never a threat for the overall GC. This man never attacks. He follows wheels and in this race you can't always follow, you have to separate yourself at some point and Levi can't, or won't do it.
    Levi has never been known to suddenly explode up the mountain the way guys like Chicken and Contador can. I am surprised by how many people around here expected him to just suddenly crack the peloton and ride to victory.

    Considering he is currently in 4th place overall, it's not like he has been a huge failure.

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    Might want to look at how many educated cycling writers picked Levi in other polls.

    Levi does what Levi does. Sit on wheels, ride a middling TT, and hope a bunch of other people crash, or blow up actually making an effort to try to win the race. He's only as high as he is because of Vino and Kloden's bad luck.

    This is not a GC "LEADER", leader being a key word here. Yes, he's a very good bike racer compared to most, but the question isn't can Levi win your local crit or roadrace. That's not what they are paying him for. They hired him because they needed someone that all the "USA! USA!" folks who don't get cycling can root for.

    Answer me this: How many TDF stages has Levi won during his career? I would think that would stick out like a sore thumb.

    BTW, I've run into the guy a half dozen times. He may be a really nice guy to his intimate friends and wife, but to the general public, he's a jerk. When someone says hello to you you might at least give a nod.

    Disco looks enlivened and organized this year because of the kid. They are killing it for him, not for Levi. Levi will keep the US audience at least watching, while the kid is going to help them secure a new sponsor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GV27 View Post
    Yep, Levi is second only to Evans of all the pre-race favorites. Contador has gained time on him primarily because he's been sent up the road to try to crack Rasmussen. If it wasn't for the fact that Chicken has suddenly found minutes in his long flat TT this race would be entirely different.

    To say that he never was a threat to the GC is just ridiculous. If Chicken hadn't put in the TT of his life on Saturday, they wouldn't have sent Contador up the road the last two days and this tour would be between Evans, Kloden and Leipheimer. He's had an excellent tour.

    Everybody just wants the "second coming of Lance". Not likely to happen anytime soon.
    Disco went into this with 2 contenders and Contador has been the stronger rider. he hasnt been sent off the front for Levi, its for his own chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GV27 View Post
    Contador has gained time on him primarily because he's been sent up the road to try to crack Rasmussen. If it wasn't for the fact that Chicken has suddenly found minutes in his long flat TT this race would be entirely different.

    To say that he never was a threat to the GC is just ridiculous. If Chicken hadn't put in the TT of his life on Saturday, they wouldn't have sent Contador up the road the last two days and this tour would be between Evans, Kloden and Leipheimer. He's had an excellent tour.


    Sorry. Couldn't help that.

    Contador has clearly out climbed Levi. More than that he's beaten him in the TT's. He's been sent up the road because he's the only one who can stay with the Chicken.

    The only way Levi beats the kid is if they end up being the only two guys in the race and Johan makes Alberto ride a three speed.
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    I don't know JB may need to put him on a single speed. That being said Levi is still a good rider.

    Contador is just in another league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinokurtov View Post


    Sorry. Couldn't help that.

    Contador has clearly out climbed Levi. More than that he's beaten him in the TT's. He's been sent up the road because he's the only one who can stay with the Chicken.

    The only way Levi beats the kid is if they end up being the only two guys in the race and Johan makes Alberto ride a three speed.

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    Although Levi is doing better than I had expected, he is, indeed, toast. The biggest suprprise to me is that Valverde is more toast than Levi. Had he crashed, like Vinokourov or Kloden, it might be understandable. As it is, he just looks lousy and unprepared.

    Contador, on the other hand...definitely not toast.

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    if there was an award for the safest, most conservative rider - than levi would take it no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomus View Post
    Levi has never been known to suddenly explode up the mountain the way guys like Chicken and Contador can. I am surprised by how many people around here expected him to just suddenly crack the peloton and ride to victory.
    Maybe he'll attack while the yellow and team are drinking champagne on the way into Paris?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan View Post
    if there was an award for the safest, most conservative rider - than levi would take it no problem.
    no doubt...hes like vanilla ice cream. Acceptable but not what you really wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan View Post
    if there was an award for the safest, most conservative rider - than levi would take it no problem.
    His Trek even has airbags and seat belts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinokurtov View Post
    BTW, I've run into the guy a half dozen times. He may be a really nice guy to his intimate friends and wife, but to the general public, he's a jerk. When someone says hello to you you might at least give a nod.
    Not saying hello constitutes being a jerk? A touch sensitive aren't we? How many autographs do you think this poor slob signs every year? Give the guy a break. Like any other pro cyclist is any better.

    I think we're forgetting that Levi is 9 years older than Contador. He can't recover the same way. It's a little unfair to say that Contador is in a different league when he is so much younger.

    So, it's probably wise for Levi to bide his time, not torture himself, and hope for the other riders to make mistakes. He may not take the GC, but I think he's shooting for 3rd at this point and I'm not sure he wants to jeopardize that by attacking on one of the stages.

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