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    Millar Says Rasmussen Has Ruined Tour

    Saunier Duval's David Millar has hit out at Tour de France leader Michael Rasmussen, claiming in Monday's edition of L'Equipe that he had ruined the race.

    Scotland's time trial specialist, who came 20th in Saturday's race against the clock, said Rasmussen's failure to give notice to cycling authorities of his whereabouts for out-of-competition testing had spoiled things for the whole peloton.

    During the last week it emerged that the Danish Cycling Union (DCU) decided in June not to select Rasmussen for September's world cycling championships and the Olympic Games in 2008 because he missed out-of-competition tests.

    Millar was quoted in L'Equipe as saying: "It is unacceptable that Rasmussen did not manage to give notice of his whereabouts. It is understandable he had problems communicating his address from Mexico, but it is up to him to make sure his federation receives notification.

    "He started the race knowing what would happen but did nothing to rectify the situation and now we are all screwed, and the Tour is in the ****. He took no notice of warnings from the UCI (cycling's world governing body) though he deserved to be punished.

    "He has either been unprofessional or has used the system."

    Millar was banned for two years in August 2004 for using blood-booster EPO and was rectroactively stripped of his 2003 world time-trial victory. Millar has since been vocal and active in anti-doping efforts.
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    It appears that others agree with Millar's thoughts.

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    i gotta laugh when ex-doper millar stands on his soapbox and lectures others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan View Post
    i gotta laugh when ex-doper millar stands on his soapbox and lectures others.
    But isn't that why he is so outspoken now?

    I respect that he was man enough to admit that he used banned drugs, and he took his punishment like an adult.

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    Ah, sweet irony. It's like Barry Bonds complaining that Mark McGwire juiced. You would think they would learn not to throw stones in the glass house where they all live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomus View Post
    But isn't that why he is so outspoken now?

    I respect that he was man enough to admit that he used banned drugs, and he took his punishment like an adult.
    yeah, but he only admited to it after his house was raided and they found the evidence. he later confessed that he had used EPO before...despite previously lying that he never took drugs.

    that doesn't really strike me as a noble act.

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    He (Ras) hasn't "ruined the tour", but he definatly knew what he was doing during the off season. Ignorance is never an excuse.

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    Seems to be sour grapes more than anything. Rasmussen isn't accused of doping, just not submitting his diary on time. Seems to be a bit of overreacting to me.

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    "It is understandable he had problems communicating his address from Mexico..."

    BS. It's called a telephone. Yeah, they got 'em in Mexico, too.

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    Maybe he wants Dick Pound's job, or Pat McQuaid's

    Maybe Rasmussen will call him up to ask for advice, and allegedly confess something to him.
    The search for inner peace continues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard_dupp View Post
    Rasmussen isn't accused of doping, just not submitting his diary on time.
    Except when the riders sign up to race professionally, the rules are explained and one of them is making sure the dope control folks know where you are at all times. Don't like the rule? Don't play the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcs View Post
    Except when the riders sign up to race professionally, the rules are explained and one of them is making sure the dope control folks know where you are at all times. Don't like the rule? Don't play the game.

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    Agreed, didn't say it was OK, just that it was not in the same category as a doping allegation. Kind of silly to screw yourself with a dumb mistake like that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard_dupp View Post
    Agreed, didn't say it was OK, just that it was not in the same category as a doping allegation. Kind of silly to screw yourself with a dumb mistake like that one.
    actaully, i think it's the same as a 'non-negative' test.

    i really don't think ras just made a dumb mistake. he would have known full well what the rules were. my guess is that faced between a positive dope test and an administrative "blunder" the second choice is better (for him).

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    Millar is right to bring this further into the public domain and question Rasmussen

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    The analogy to Bonds is bollocks. Millar fessed up to doping, served his time, and now is saying "don't do what I did." Bonds admits to nothing, even though almost all evidence points to his involvement with BALCO.

    So Millar has every right to say what he does - and he has a more unique perspective than many pro riders can admit to having.

    These days, if you're a UCI Pro Tour rider there's an expectation to play by the rules: report your whereabouts, play clean. Rasmussen may be an introvert, but that's no excuse for not calling the Danish Cycling Federation and reporting his Mexican vacation. He's a Pro Tour rider, and he's not above the rules.
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    Just what does Millar mean when he says "now we are all screwed"? The only one to ever screw Millar was himself. Cycling didn't come to a screeching halt while he was suspended, and it won't happen now that Rasmussen missed a couple of dope tests, either.

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    As I understand the situation, he has not missed enough OOC tests to be subject to discipline under the rules. So the complaint here seems to be that, there being no disciplinary violation, he is permitted to ride under the rules. God forbid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richard_dupp View Post
    Agreed, didn't say it was OK, just that it was not in the same category as a doping allegation. Kind of silly to screw yourself with a dumb mistake like that one.
    Actually 3 missed doping checks is considered a doping violation by the UCI. Ras has 2 from the UCI and 2 from the DCU. The DCU warnings can be converted to UCI warnings under UCI rules. So I'd say Ras is very close to getting charged with doping.

    If he doesn't get charged he'll definitely have to avoid "missing" his doping checks prior to the 2008 tour which means his preparations will have to be different than the last few years.

    It will be interesting to see what his performance is like next year now that the uCI and the DCU will be on him 24/7.
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    Velonews is definitely turning rocks and interviewing whatever is underneath on Rasmussen's presumed doping.

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    i think millar ruins the tour more by making comments like this during the race. millar is just mad that rasmussen beat him in the first TT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by songfta View Post
    Millar fessed up to doping
    "Let's see...so you got a warrant based on other evidence that I was doping, searched my house, found a hidden syringe with traces of EPO in it and my DNA on the needle from injecting...you know what? I want to confess now".

    The Bonds thing is a bad analogy though. Bonds still says he's innocent. I think David Walsh asked the question and got the answer that puts Millar in context now.

    "What is the reason, after you lied and cheated, that we should believe you now or take you seriously?"

    DM: "None".

    I take what Kimmage, Vaughters, Manzano, Andreu and others have to say much more seriously. They didn't have to get caught to come clean. Though all of them waited till their careers were over to come out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    Ah, sweet irony. It's like Barry Bonds complaining that Mark McGwire juiced. You would think they would learn not to throw stones in the glass house where they all live.


    No, it's like a reformed burglar helping police and insurance companies catch current burglars.

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    Chicken makes the TDF look bad cause now everyone will think we are anorexic self inflicting wackos

    At least Lance and Greg Lemond looked normal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomus View Post
    But isn't that why he is so outspoken now?

    I respect that he was man enough to admit that he used banned drugs, and he took his punishment like an adult.
    these "being a man" or "man enough" statements are crap. i mean what does it mean? the guy was busted for doping and then admits to it. big deal. this doesnt earn him a pass or his "being a man" card in my book. he should shut up and race. later.

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    Lets move beyond this stupid little argument about who should speak and who should not.

    Here is the fact: Many of the current sponsors are not exactly thrilled with the current state of cycling, and some (like T-Mobile) are considering leaving after remaining sponsors for years. And imagine if current sponsors are questioning staying in the sport, how many other potential sponsors will steer clear from this sport? Astana is a different beast, in part because that sponsorship is more akin to a National Team, so they are not nearly as sensitive to doping accusations or news of doping.

    Here is fact number 2: Rasmussan either is a complete idiot (do you really think someone in his position fails to contact the authorities on accident if he is clean) or wanted to evade the authorities.

    Here is Fact No. 3: In yet another TdF, we have a rider who is now under the suspicion (beyond the general suspicion) of doping. It is now one of the main story lines in all the major newspapers and other media outlets covering the Tour.

    So when Millar says he is ruining it, regardless if he was a former doper or not, his statement hold water. Those of you attacking Millar are attacking the messenger rather than providing any arguments against his assertion. Wanna see the future of Road Cyling? Think Mountain Biking. The only potenital sponsors remaining who will even consider sponsoring these guys will be companies directly involved in cycling or athletics in general. Know what that mean......less money for future riders. Ask a mountain biker how much a year they get for riding. Team Clif Bar, Team Trek etc... will be all that is left.

    The one bright spot in this entire affair: Rasmussan may get the Yellow, but any financial benefits from being a Danish hero and potential sponsorship monies are gone. Who would touch this guy? Even the Danes do not want him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomus View Post
    But isn't that why he is so outspoken now?

    I respect that he was man enough to admit that he used banned drugs, and he took his punishment like an adult.
    Yeah he admitted once they found his dope stashed inside a cut out book, like something out of shawshank redemption. This guy is a clown and simply trying to get in the spotlight because he has done nothing in the tour to deserve any attention (well he did an amazing pull for a lackluster mayo.)

    I guess we could move on from this thread but is is specifically about Millar on Ras.

    I really don't see how anyone can care about Ras admitting to doping 5 yrs ago? I mean the controls and monitoring are much better now. Also he hasn't been accused of a positive drug test.

    No body said anything last year when he was killing the climbs.

    Now if Thor Hushov or Boonen were leading the tour in the mountain's then yes it might be suspect. This guy is a specialist. He's done nothing good other than Climb. It's not like he's won sprint finishes and destroyed everyone else in the ITT. also keep in mind Contador was implicated in Operation Puerto. Yeah he was cleared but so was Basso (sort of) and so were others that only now are turning up dirty.

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