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Old 07-24-07, 09:28 PM   #26
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so Wiggins must be given second place as all the others were Astana

Well done Bradley.

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No. The other Astana placings will stand.
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Old 07-25-07, 01:14 AM   #27
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skinny,

I'm pretty sure botto's point here is that those two victories came in circumstances similar to Cadel's. Not much team support, and not riding aggressively. I didn't follow the '89 tour, but I know that in the 2005 Giro, Savoldelli didn't make excuses about not having team support. From Cadel's interviews, it seems he has the mindset of being defeated (mean old Rasmussen and Contador ganged up on me and left me behind. What was I to do with nobody to draft going up a 9% grade? Surely I can't ride up that hill by myself!)

That attitude is probably the greatest difference between Cadel and past champions. Suck it up man. Give it your best, and deal with the consequences. I'd be much more impressed by him quietly finishing fourth than I would be by him winning the tour and whining the way he has this past week.

Either that, or don't read too much into what riders say when they are interviewed 30 seconds after crossing the finish line when they are tired, emotional and haven't had a chance to get their thoughts togther.

BTW, Lemonds 89 Tour victory was the greatest 'wheelsucker' Tour victory of all time.
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why don't they just get Dr Ferrari arested and banned from contact with any cyclists? Stopping this sad **** from happening in the first place (by making it harder to get into an established doping factory) seems a much better idea all around than trying to clean up after the races. He seems to be a common thread in almost every doper's history, including Sir Lance the Hero.
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why don't they just get Dr Ferrari arested and banned from contact with any cyclists? Stopping this sad **** from happening in the first place (by making it harder to get into an established doping factory) seems a much better idea all around than trying to clean up after the races. He seems to be a common thread in almost every doper's history, including Sir Lance the Hero.
He's been arrested and beat the rap. The Tour, however, could simply say "Work with Ferrari and you don't start the Tour." T-Mobile has already told its riders that they can't work with Ferrari.

By the way, who knows which riders still do have contact with Ferrari? A list anyone?
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Cadel may know when NOT to pull, but he has a hard time understanding when he SHOULD pull. When you're the highest on GC, and those higher than you are up the road, it's up to YOU to chase. He threw a minor fit when Sastre and Levi weren't leading the chase of Chicken and Contador. Among his chase group, he was highest on GC, had the most to lose if the group ahead gained time. Levi had a teammate up the road. The situation dictated it was up to HIM to pull. Outsprinting Kloden for a minor placing, with no time bonuses attached ,it not good strategy if you want to save energy.
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