What do you think? And what about yesterday's stage?
What do you think? And what about yesterday's stage?
I didn't know he had a show. I am confused. What else is new?
Should ... jeez ... I'm having a shocker
Ironic how the only stage he has a chance of winning, he will have rode the entire stage without someone elses wheel.
I feel like a soiled kleenex dropped in the gutter in the red-light district of Paris.
Evans is looking at a top 10 finish and at least one stage victory - he is going to be given stage 13 - not a bad tour, I say.
Smoothie, what's your take on this whole situation?
so Wiggins must be given second place as all the others were Astana
Well done Bradley.
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A rider who can ride faster than every other rider in the race in a TT without sucking wheels is not using strategy when he follows the wheels/races in a bunch; he must be "wheelsucking". Who's failing to see the real irony here? The irony is that the posters to this forum know so little about real racing that all they can do is call Cadel a wheelsucker when they see the strategy he's using. How many times does someone have to tell you people; he has no team. He is racing the way he must.
You may not know much about racing botto, but at least you're consistent. Instead of posting some coherent racing information, you resort to personal attack. But I don't mind 'splainin' it to ya.
Which brings me back to my attitude of "they all dope" which sucks.. especially when they get caught.. They say when the weapons are all equal, the strongest man still wins.. but I don't really know what to think anymore.
I was so looking forward to tommorow's stage.. but how do you watch and believe now? It's coming down to who has the best doctor's and is willing to take the most risks...
I expect Cadel will end up winning the Tour in a few months or years, after The Chicken and Contador get popped.
If you don't have anything nice to say about anybody, then come sit next to me.
I'm guilty of thinking that Cadel is a wheelsucker. So, if Cadel sits in the lead group all day, 4 or 5 spots in, hardly ever launches any attacks of his own, then has a hard time sticking to the those wheels he's sucking like some casting couch starlet when someone jumps off the front, and then gets dropped out of the lead group, he is actually racing according to some plan?
Maybe so. I'll freely admit that I might be wrong, but I sure don't see any "strategy" that he's using - unless passive riding is a new way to win on the podium. Can you explain this strategy, because to me it looks like he's just struggling to stay on - strong, but not strong enough. I think he might enjoy some cheese with his whine, given some of the things he's had to say about his team.
Cadel has to be a wheel sucker.. he has no team to help him out.
Its much easier to launch attacks once your team has been at the front for 20-30 minutes killing everyone's legs or if you know you will have help the following day, he has nothing so he uses other teams wheels to keep him competitive.
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The big question is: does Moreau get his three minutes back from stage 11?
I love that you picked these two races as examples.
Greg fought just to follow the wheels on almost every stage in that race, including the road stage he won, stage 19, where he finished with a group containing Fignon, Theunisse, and Delgado. He outsprinted them for the win of course, but he was by no means the aggressor. Fignon was the aggressor throughout the Tour that year, with Lemond just trying to hang on. The only significant attack Lemond put in was on Stage 16 where he attacked over the top of the Izoard and used his descending skills to put time into Fignon. He won the TDF that year by winning time trials. Here is an account of that TDF:
As for Savoldelli in 2005, he won that race because Basso got sick and fell apart on the 13th stage. The one stage he won was the 11th, where he used his descending skills to outdistance Basso on the descent of the penultimate climb, and then when Basso caught him on the final ascent, just stayed with Basso and outsprinted him at the end. Savoldelli simply limited his losses to the key riders after stage 13 and did well in the ITT to take the overall. Savoldelli did virtually no attacking in the entire Giro.
Bott, I know you're new to this, but you've got to do better than this.
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I'm pretty sure botto's point here is that those two victories came in circumstances similar to Cadel's. Not much team support, and not riding aggressively. I didn't follow the '89 tour, but I know that in the 2005 Giro, Savoldelli didn't make excuses about not having team support. From Cadel's interviews, it seems he has the mindset of being defeated (mean old Rasmussen and Contador ganged up on me and left me behind. What was I to do with nobody to draft going up a 9% grade? Surely I can't ride up that hill by myself!)
That attitude is probably the greatest difference between Cadel and past champions. Suck it up man. Give it your best, and deal with the consequences. I'd be much more impressed by him quietly finishing fourth than I would be by him winning the tour and whining the way he has this past week.
The search for inner peace continues...
By the way, who has won the TDF without winning a single stage? How conservative is that?
Aren't all the TDF team leaders by default wheelsuckers, they are protected riders with team mates towing them along.