View Poll Results: What will come of tomorrows stage & doping tests?
Nothing. Both men will perform well and will test clean.
54
57.45%
Rasmussen's performance will mysteriously drop off.
17
18.09%
Contador's performance will mysteriously drop off.
1
1.06%
Both men's performance will mysteriously drop off.
12
12.77%
One or the other will test dirty -- or will withdraw before the stage.
6
6.38%
Both will test dirty -- or will withdraw before the stage.
4
4.26%
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Rasmussen & Contador are to be tested tomorrow: + or -?
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Rasmussen & Contador are to be tested tomorrow: + or -?
It has been announced that Rasmussen & Contador are up for testing tomorrow. What will happen? Will there be a positive test(s)? Will their performance decline?
It was already going to be a fascinating stage. This just ads to the intrigue!
It was already going to be a fascinating stage. This just ads to the intrigue!
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Contador will come up clean or Johan would have sent him home with intestinal problems already.
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I wad under the impression that at the least, the Tour Leader and Stage Winner were tested every day.
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That makes sense to me, too. The BBC said that Rasmussen & Contador were being tested/announced as the "random" tests. (Seemed pretty un-random to me, but . . . . )
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Wow! Those are some pretty incredible early numbers!
I'll bet you guys think O.J. is still looking for the REAL killer!
I'll bet you guys think O.J. is still looking for the REAL killer!
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As they are both stage winners, they have already been tested.
Unless their plan was to win a stage while clean, then dope up.
Unless their plan was to win a stage while clean, then dope up.
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There's degrees of cheating. I don't know what any of these riders did 5+ years ago, which very well could have developed most of their skills and talent by cheating, but in competition doping is extremely risky, and just for the desperate or developmentally challenged.
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Yeah, but neither has had their "crater" stage yet. And, if nothing else, that seems to be a primary symptom of even the best cheaters.
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There's degrees of cheating. I don't know what any of these riders did 5+ years ago, which very well could have developed most of their skills and talent by cheating, but in competition doping is extremely risky, and just for the desperate or developmentally challenged.
But it's looking more and more that the only way to compete in the Pro Tour is to dope, and, so, not doping is even more risky. After all, look at how long the caught/admitted cheaters like Rolf Aldag, Andreu, Basso, Camanzind, Hamilton, Heras, Danilo Hondo, Jacksche, Kessler, Flandis, Millar, Perez, Riis, Rumsas, Simeoni, Ullrich, Vino, Virenque, Zabel, etc. etc., got away with it before they got caught. I hope you don't believe that they just starting doping when they were caught. What that means is that each of them was probably doping for years without getting caught. So if they were able to dope without getting caught, so can many others who just haven't been caught yet (and may never be caught). The main risk of getting caught might be overdoing enough to exceed some threshold on a test.
And when we're talking about riders at the champion level like Riis, Basso and Ullrich, you really have to wonder how anyone could compete with them without doping, if these guys had to dope.
I mean, what's more likely? That Armstrong raced clean for 7 years in a row, able to ride with and beat guys like Ullrich, Basso, Pantani, Vino, Beloki, (implicated in Puerto, but then "cleared" just like Vino was ), Rumsas, Hamilton, Flandis, Heras, even when they were all using doping enhancements, or that he simply was more anal with his doping (like he was with everything else)?
Finally, why is Lance Armstrong not speaking out with outrage about all these guys cheating? Think about that.
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It's not hard to dope a cyclist and avoid the tests. Anyone with an MD degree or even a biochemistry BSc degree could pull it off. You just need to know the tests. One easy trick is get the rider diagnosed with asthma, the asthma medication can mask many steriods.
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its so easy, but yet the pre race favorite couldnt figure it out?
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I get the feeling that if it would not negatively impact their breathing or other internal organs, that most top riders would eat super intestinal gas producing fiber products, so that they could fart with enough volume to produce a stinky jet-of-victory...
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If you will remember back a few years, Lance Armstrong was always one of the "random" test subjects as well.
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Basso, Heras, Ullrich, Hamilton, Flandis and countless others who we now know were doping at the time all get tested countless times too, and (most of them) never failed.
Consider all the guys in Operation Puerto, some of which cannot be identified.
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If it's so easy, why hasn't the tour become the asthma patients' ride?
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We know it all
Those riders didn't have the technical inside information, medical expertise, and international connections so many posters in the forum enjoy.
Doping news addicts have the amazing ability to have 100% confidence and faith in tests that turn out positive, yet still be skeptical when tests turn out negative.
Doping news addicts have the amazing ability to have 100% confidence and faith in tests that turn out positive, yet still be skeptical when tests turn out negative.