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    Velonews Sucks

    Velonews COMPLETELY Sucks. I really liked most of the coverage up until they saw an opportunity to jump on a story to taint the tour. , the story is old and at a time when the entire peleton was using some sort of PEDs. Everyone in cycling know this to be true to some extent and it is old news. Since then the majority of Velonews attempts to attack rasmussen and his team have been many and often. Often lying to us the unbiased reader that his team is not supporting him (which obviously they do support him!) and saying that the fans are seeing him as a doper when he has not failed anything. Also distributing the news should be fair and biased. that is what is supposed to happen in real journalism not absolute rubbish that VN is putting out..

    I understand the concern of many and the suspicion of the missing doping controls but many in the media are being completely false and are just trying to give a blow to a sport i care about. It's really suprising when one of those is a leading media outlets for the sport here in USA. Noted that Rasmussen will no longer speak with Velonews any more and it angers the publication so they continue to bash him. I have read in many other publications from around the world and a press release from rabobank and interviews with his team about how proud they are and how they fully back his performance. And why wouldn't they? there are huge bonuses attached to winning the tour and a life long dream of many to be on the winning team of the TDF. Also Boogyman's last year!! He has said that he is retiring at the end of the season.

    I really liked VN before but they have really let me down by the coverage on the Leader. and has been a really bad attempt to harm the sport more. I also like how they copyrighted the story (about the shoes) so they can control it and spin it to their advantage.

    The Media is not helping. Cyclingnews.com tends to be much more reliable with better insight on what the sponsors and teams are really feeling. Many in the peleton have had the same " Journal problem " as MR.

    Just my opinion
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    Dude,

    you attack the messenger, who has done nothing but report the news. If all Velonews did was continue to run race-specific stories, their credibility would be shot. Guess who you should blame instead.....


    c'mon man - you are smart enough.....



    Yup - the f'n riders.



    You getting upset at Velonews for doing ACTUAL REPORTING shows either you are immature due to age or lack of emotional development or you are a complete ignoramus.

    The sport is going through a rough patch, but to sweep it under the rug in order to make everything seem rosy and pure is so immature and amateur. I know you love the sport, but the best for all of us to love the sport is to demand of these riders as fans, sponsors, media and tour organizers that they ride clean.

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    Fox news should only cover the TDF, that way, they can tell the truth about inspirational winning due to religious jewelry and faith in Jebus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocRay View Post
    Fox news should only cover the TDF, that way, they can tell the truth about inspirational winning due to religious jewelry and faith in Jebus.



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    Quote Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
    Dude,

    you attack the messenger, who has done nothing but report the news. If all Velonews did was continue to run race-specific stories, their credibility would be shot. Guess who you should blame instead.....


    c'mon man - you are smart enough.....



    Yup - the f'n riders.



    You getting upset at Velonews for doing ACTUAL REPORTING shows either you are immature due to age or lack of emotional development or you are a complete ignoramus.

    The sport is going through a rough patch, but to sweep it under the rug in order to make everything seem rosy and pure is so immature and amateur. I know you love the sport, but the best for all of us to love the sport is to demand of these riders as fans, sponsors, media and tour organizers that they ride clean.
    My problem is not that they reported it but rather that they continue to distribute it as facts. and continue to back it up with lies about his team not supporting him and take any note when laying down the story to mention a incident that may or may not be true. If you read the last 20 heaadlines on VN you will note the consistancy.

    Jul 20: Ex-cyclist levels doping charges at Rasmussen
    Jul 21: Rasmussen might have been barred from Tour had missed tests been reported
    jul 22: Rasmussen not exactly winning hearts and minds among his colleagues
    Jul 23: Millar says Rasmussen has ruined Tour
    Jul 23: Pressure building on Rasmussen... on and off the bike .

    and if you read the articles they are witten with predetermined guilt. Doping charges from 5 years ago? Who cares. what happens today is what counts. I'm sure they are testing him like a lab rat due to all the rumors. also when they decribe the " admisntrative error" they describe it as a miss test, and describe the scenario entirely different than the other press. Which suggest different scenario

    I am not a fan of MR. But I am a fan of cycling and try to stay bias. I wanted Sastre to win the tour or Vino.(bummer) but I could care less about the chicken but I think he has been brilliant. Not until proven otherwise i will not address his performance with guilt.

    I really would of like to see Contador wup him as well but that didn't happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic32amg View Post
    My problem is not that they reported it but rather that they continue to distribute it as facts. and continue to back it up with lies about his team not supporting him and take any note when laying down the story to mention a incident that may or may not be true. If you read the last 20 heaadlines on VN you will note the consistancy.

    Jul 20: Ex-cyclist levels doping charges at Rasmussen
    Jul 21: Rasmussen might have been barred from Tour had missed tests been reported
    jul 22: Rasmussen not exactly winning hearts and minds among his colleagues
    Jul 23: Millar says Rasmussen has ruined Tour
    Jul 23: Pressure building on Rasmussen... on and off the bike .

    and if you read the articles they are witten with predetermined guilt. Doping charges from 5 years ago? Who cares. what happens today is what counts. I'm sure they are testing him like a lab rat due to all the rumors. also when they decribe the " admisntrative error" they describe it as a miss test, and describe the scenario entirely different than the other press. Which suggest different scenario

    I am not a fan of MR. But I am a fan of cycling and try to stay bias. I wanted Sastre to win the tour or Vino.(bummer) but I could care less about the chicken but I think he has been brilliant. Not until proven otherwise i will not address his performance with guilt.

    I really would of like to see Contador wup him as well but that didn't happen.
    So stop reading Velonews and get on with your life....
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    yeah you're right .. I'll get on with life now..
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    Quote Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
    Dude,

    you attack the messenger, who has done nothing but report the news. If all Velonews did was continue to run race-specific stories, their credibility would be shot. Guess who you should blame instead.....


    c'mon man - you are smart enough.....



    Yup - the f'n riders.



    You getting upset at Velonews for doing ACTUAL REPORTING shows either you are immature due to age or lack of emotional development or you are a complete ignoramus.

    The sport is going through a rough patch, but to sweep it under the rug in order to make everything seem rosy and pure is so immature and amateur. I know you love the sport, but the best for all of us to love the sport is to demand of these riders as fans, sponsors, media and tour organizers that they ride clean.
    +1
    Big tex is going to jail. Fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post


    You getting upset at Velonews for doing ACTUAL REPORTING shows either you are immature due to age or lack of emotional development or you are a complete ignoramus.
    Harsh. That was harsh.

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    Velonews is definitely pationately digging for dirt on rasmussen, and doing so in an exaggerated manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godspiral View Post
    Velonews is definitely pationately digging for dirt on rasmussen, and doing so in an exaggerated manner.
    I guess this is the kind of reaction to expect now that corporate reporting has become the norm.

    Ever hear the expression muckraker ? That's what a good journalists used to be called. Now people expect the same level of scrutiny from the press as they would from an infomercial. Hence the WMD debacle and the belief of many that Lance did not dope....

    Sad times.
    Big tex is going to jail. Fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocRay View Post
    Fox news should only cover the TDF, that way, they can tell the truth about inspirational winning due to religious jewelry and faith in Jebus.
    What does this have to do with this thread?
    Not too much to say here

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic32amg View Post
    Since then the majority of Velonews attempts to attack rasmussen and his team have been many and often. Often lying to us the unbiased reader that his team is not supporting him (which obviously they do support him!) and saying that the fans are seeing him as a doper when he has not failed anything.
    I read Velonews. I must say that I disagree with your opinion 100%. You seem to be a Ras fan, and that's great. He is the likely winner of the TdF, so he's gonna get some press. Certainly Velonews hasn't singled out Ras for anything. You'll find the same reporting on nearly every cycling site on the web.

    I don't understand your issue. Could you please post some quotes from Velonews that you think are not fair to Ras????

    ... Brad

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddyfish View Post
    What does this have to do with this thread?
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    What does this have to do with this thread?
    Well - at least we know this guy is an ignoramus. Thanks for clearing this up. Now go back to watching Bill O'Reilly and his reporting of the facts.

    As for how this is relevant:

    DO you have any idea about the critiques of Fox News? Any?

    And if you do, then you would understand that Velonews is doing something Faux News would not do, which is dig up the facts, try to expose corruption or frauds and use the press for the benefit of an honest society, even at the potential expense of its own financial interest. I mean, exposing these doping scandals could potentially decrease interest in cycling in the short run, which would cause a decline or limit the growth of Velonews's readership.

    All of the above is not Faux News's mission. Instead, Faux News mission is to support the Republican Party, especially President Bush. Actually - if you have read the criticism of Murdoch, while he is conservative, his biggest crime is to use his news organization to support those politicians and organizations willing to promote or write laws/regulations which will help make the Fox Corporation richer. Hence his lax reporting throgh either Fox News or his newspapers of China's abuse of basic human rights, business practices or unfair trade practices all the while supporting the President and promoting Bush's position that the Iraq War was to help instill "freedom" to the Iraqi's.

    Faux News also reports not the facts, but what it thinks its audience wants to hear. For example:

    - There are significant disagreements about global warming
    - Intelligent design is an actual scientific argument to evolution, even through intelligent design has not been tested through the typical scientific process or tested and published in any peer-reviewed science journal
    - That there is a "War on Christmas"

    You get the point. It creates an alternative universe where they report what people beleive rather than the truth. This is what the above poster was arguing Velonews should do. Ignore facts that might in some way cause discomfort to our little world-view that these cyclists are heros and honest and clean.




    This is one of the biggest critique's of his purchase of the WSJ, which if you ignore the OP-Ed section, has done some very damming and interesting articles on China in the last decade, all of which if you read them could have predicted the recent bout of faulty exports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bac View Post
    I read Velonews. I must say that I disagree with your opinion 100%. You seem to be a Ras fan, and that's great. He is the likely winner of the TdF, so he's gonna get some press. Certainly Velonews hasn't singled out Ras for anything. You'll find the same reporting on nearly every cycling site on the web.

    I don't understand your issue. Could you please post some quotes from Velonews that you think are not fair to Ras????

    ... Brad
    The joyless jersey? Rasmussen seems to be the only one celebrating his success
    By Andrew Hood, VeloNews European correspondent
    Filed: July 25, 2007
    Michael Rasmussen was celebrating his victory in Wednesday's epic climbing stage that all but secured the yellow jersey, but no one else was.


    No respect: Rasmussen is not getting the cheers he had hoped for.

    photo: Agence France Presse - 2007

    The Tour de France race leader was repeatedly booed during the 218.5km march across the Pyrénées by angry cycling fans frustrated by a string of credibility-killing doping scandals that threaten to overwhelm the Tour.

    The Rabobank captain admitted he heard the taunts as he attacked to victory atop the Col d'Aubisque to take a commanding 3:10 lead over Alberto Contador with just four days left in the 2007 Tour.

    "It did happen during the stage. I believe there's a lot of frustration among the people and in the peloton about what's going on," Rasmussen said. "After what happened to Vino, since he is not here, people are taking their frustrations out on me."

    Rasmussen might be wrong if he believes that those boos were meant for Alexander Vinokourov, who left the Tour along with his entire Astana team in disgrace Tuesday after he tested positive for homologous blood doping.

    Rasmussen's credibility has sunk faster than he climb up the Tour's hardest mountains.

    The yellow jersey has been taking plenty of heat following revelations that he was formally warned by the UCI last month for inaccurate information about his whereabouts in the critical pre-Tour window to be available for out-of-competition tests.

    A story published on VeloNews.com about allegations from a former mountain biker that Rasmussen tried to trick him into transporting banned doping products to Europe didn't help, either.

    On Wednesday, the influential French sports daily L'Equipe ran the headline, "Rasmussen's Lies," above a story about his rest-day press conference when he tried to dispel rumors surrounding inconsistencies about his whereabouts during crucial pre-Tour training periods.

    Rabobank officials revealed Tuesday they fined Rasmussen 10,000 euros for the warning.

    ASO president Patrice Clerc turned up the heat Tuesday when he said, "Rasmussen shouldn't have been allowed to start the Tour."

    The mood was tense at Wednesday's start in Orthez as French and some German riders staged a silent protest in light of the Vinokourov scandal that's rocked the Tour.

    Rasmussen was loudly booed when he went to the pre-stage sign-in ceremony. The podium announcer even momentarily stopped his endless banter as the skinny Dane signed his name to the start list.

    Despite the growing pressure, he rode Wednesday's stage to perfection, winning decisively and further tightening his grip on the yellow jersey. He's obviously not letting it affect his performance.

    The intensity of the negative feelings toward Rasmussen remind many of the divisiveness provoked by Lance Armstrong's seven-year Tour run when the Texan's Tour dominance rubbed some the wrong way.

    "Now I understand what Lance Armstrong went through for seven years. My respect for him is growing day by day," Rasmussen said. "The only good thing about the Vinokourov situation is that it proves that the system is working. To that, I can only add that I've had 14 negative tests on this Tour."

    The growing Rasmussen brouhaha is also squelching any joy around the Rabobank bus.

    On what should be the most rewarding day of the Dutch squad's 12-year history, team officials admitted it's hard to rejoice in light of the growing sense of distrust of Rasmussen and cycling's sliding credibility.

    "We cannot celebrate too much in light of what's happening in cycling right now," said Rabobank sport director Erik Breukink. "It's frustrating. We've worked hard to reach this moment and we cannot enjoy it as we'd like."

    If the boos weren't enough, a wasp stung Rasmussen on his lower lip on the descent off the Larrau climb and he rode most of the stage with his mouth swollen "like I had a golf ball in it."

    At least the swollen lip didn't come from a sucker punch from a fan.
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    Can you please point out what Velonews is stating that other media is not? I read the article, and it seems pretty fair to me. Why would Velonews not report about Ras's issues? They certainly report about others.

    ... Brad

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    Sorry - Velonews should have titled the article:

    "The Joyless Jersey? Rasmussan and vic32amg seem to be the only ones celebrating his success."


    Vic: you may not like to hear this, but Velonews is not making this up. The Tour's own leadership stated that had they known of Rasmussan's missed Danish tests, he would not have even been allowed to start. When the leaders of your own sport are not happy your winning, and Rasmussan even admitted to hearing the taunts and jabs of fans regarding doping, what should Velonews have stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaireau View Post
    I guess this is the kind of reaction to expect now that corporate reporting has become the norm.

    Ever hear the expression muckraker ? That's what a good journalists used to be called. Now people expect the same level of scrutiny from the press as they would from an infomercial. Hence the WMD debacle and the belief of many that Lance did not dope....

    Sad times.
    Scandals re: the Yellow jersey have been demonstrated as getting the most readership I presume, so in the words of Donald Rumsfeld on 9/11... "I want the link to Hussein. Stir it all up things related and not."

    I understand that there are concerns about his behaviour, but the reporting has still been unfair and biased in the presentation.

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    Is Rabobank also unfair to porr old Rasmussan?

    I think his goose is cooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic32amg View Post
    The joyless jersey? Rasmussen seems to be the only one celebrating his success
    You're really going to hate Velonews now:

    http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/det...s/12944.0.html

    ... Brad

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    Quote Originally Posted by bac View Post
    You're really going to hate Velonews now:

    http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/det...s/12944.0.html

    ... Brad

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    Seems like Velonews was right on the money all along...they knew he was in trouble and called it like they saw it...way to go VN.
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    Still waiting for a response from vic32amg...........




    Or are you still upset that Iraq really is not going well after all that Fox News told you????

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    The people who hurt the tour are the cyclists who dope and think they can get away with it and get caught. Hamilton, Landis, etc.!!!!!!!!!

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    I apologize to those who I have been in conflict with in defending Rasmussen

    the turd has hit the fan. they should cancel the tour this year. If I were alberto Contador I don't think I would want this years jersey. not after all this.
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