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Old 07-25-07, 08:55 PM   #1
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It is a bummer BUT

It will still go on....I still like riding my bike...tonight during out Wed night ride I thought about how hard those Mtn were in the tour and tried to power up the ones I was riding up....

You move on....your happy for the ones that are doing it right....Alberto, Levi, Soler (we have a Colombian we ride with and he is ecstatic) I mean you just move on....look at the history....the sport and the Tour is always covered in controversy...it really is not that big of a deal....

Rabobank, good call.....Cofidis still good call but I am sorry....Astana....good call but again I am sorry....but we move on....

To me bike racing is fun to watch....I will still watch it like I watch F1....or Moto GP....even if some team sneaks in to some other teams garage and measures there stuff....espionage is a part of life.....that should not mean the whole sport should pay....

In my opinion...L'EQUIPE is the constant evil in this.....they knew 5 hours before Moreni knew....that is a joke....and the fact that they don't try to find the mole is a joke too.....all it would take is one false postive and it would be known and the truth is they don't want it to be found because it sells papers..that is all they care about...selling papers and all the bad publicity does that....money is everything is this case.....

The bottom line....I still will ride and I still will watch....if you all give up either your just naive.....
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It will still go on....I still like riding my bike...tonight during out Wed night ride I thought about how hard those Mtn were in the tour and tried to power up the ones I was riding up....

You move on....your happy for the ones that are doing it right....Alberto, Levi, Soler (we have a Colombian we ride with and he is ecstatic) I mean you just move on....look at the history....the sport and the Tour is always covered in controversy...it really is not that big of a deal....

Rabobank, good call.....Cofidis still good call but I am sorry....Astana....good call but again I am sorry....but we move on....

To me bike racing is fun to watch....I will still watch it like I watch F1....or Moto GP....even if some team sneaks in to some other teams garage and measures there stuff....espionage is a part of life.....that should not mean the whole sport should pay....

In my opinion...L'EQUIPE is the constant evil in this.....they knew 5 hours before Moreni knew....that is a joke....and the fact that they don't try to find the mole is a joke too.....all it would take is one false postive and it would be known and the truth is they don't want it to be found because it sells papers..that is all they care about...selling papers and all the bad publicity does that....money is everything is this case.....

The bottom line....I still will ride and I still will watch....if you all give up either your just naive.....
What makes you think Contador or LL or Soler are clean?

I'm pretty sure Moreni knew he was doping before L'Equipe knew. And yeah, it's all the fault of the reporters who are informing the public.
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Well because the rest of us....they have not been caught...

Do we assume every rider is guilty? If so then we need to come to grips with that.

Moreni is bad....Vino is bad....but again L'EQUIPE is the constant....they are there EVERY time and they gain from it EVERY time..

They are not good by any means but they are capitalizing on the bad in the sport. A comparison would be a drug dealer....are the drug users bad? Yes....but money lines there pockets every time a drug user is caught....truth is they don't want it to stop..
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The problem isn't L'Equipe. The problem is either in the lab, or in one of the anti-doping agencies.

I very much doubt that any Team Discovery riders will fail any drug tests. I'd like to think that's because they're clean, but I truly don't know because I have no contact with them. I understand others' skepticism about everything, but any one of those riders - even Wim - would be able to drop me within 3 km. You could give me 14 hours (more then double their time), and I'd be lucky to complete stage 16 - and if I did, there's no way I'm even thinking about getting on a bike the next day. Sad that the ones who cheat feel compelled to, but even so, their accomplishments are mind-boggling.
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I bet L'Equipe is paying for the info....lets look at there bank records..lol

No doubt their accomplishments are mind-boggling...I completely agree...I just want to ride as fast as I can and ride as much as I can..

I do feel bad that the pressure is SO MUCH that they will risk everything for it....
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It will still go on....I still like riding my bike...tonight during out Wed night ride I thought about how hard those Mtn were in the tour and tried to power up the ones I was riding up....

You move on....your happy for the ones that are doing it right....Alberto, Levi, Soler (we have a Colombian we ride with and he is ecstatic) I mean you just move on....look at the history....the sport and the Tour is always covered in controversy...it really is not that big of a deal....

Rabobank, good call.....Cofidis still good call but I am sorry....Astana....good call but again I am sorry....but we move on....

To me bike racing is fun to watch....I will still watch it like I watch F1....or Moto GP....even if some team sneaks in to some other teams garage and measures there stuff....espionage is a part of life.....that should not mean the whole sport should pay....

In my opinion...L'EQUIPE is the constant evil in this.....they knew 5 hours before Moreni knew....that is a joke....and the fact that they don't try to find the mole is a joke too.....all it would take is one false postive and it would be known and the truth is they don't want it to be found because it sells papers..that is all they care about...selling papers and all the bad publicity does that....money is everything is this case.....

The bottom line....I still will ride and I still will watch....if you all give up either your just naive.....
Good post. Whether or not some continue to try, and perhaps succeed, in cheating, the spectacle is still nothing less than heroic. Along with the scenery, history, etc. during every Grand Tour.

Like many, I cycled continuously as a kid until about age ten. I picked it up again mid-seventies for about three weeks, when I hated it. Then at age sixty, living in The Netherlands, I bought a city bike - everyone has at least one of them there - and used it to shop, exercise, etc. It caught my fancy, and I have been an avid road biker since.

I am not very strong, and suffer from lack of commitment regarding conditioning, but still love it. Living in France later, I rode in the small Alps foothills all the time, and climbed le Mont Ventoux and l'Alpe d'Huez once each. I kept reminding myself as I struggled to do so that the professionals do that as a matter of course, during stages that are usually more than a hundred miles long, and almost all make it through three weeks give or take.

While taking illicit substances is possibly helping some, it is a fraction of what most of them start with naturally. It gives an edge, nothing more. And I hate it. But that still does not detract from the fact that these guys are nothing less than heroic in their accomplishments. I hope it never dies.
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