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    Soler looks guilty of doping - great!!

    As a fan of Barloworld, and a fan of Soler, if this is true, and Soler was found with a positive urine sample as well as the Barloworld bus being raided, what will this mean?

    I guess it Corti is known for having managed some fairly dubious teams in the past Seaco being one. But I let hope get the best of me.




    http://tour.tv2.dk/article.php/id-7719616.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
    As a fan of Barloworld, and a fan of Soler, if this is true, and Soler was found with a positive urine sample as well as the Barloworld bus being raided, what will this mean?

    I guess it Corti is known for having managed some fairly dubious teams in the past Seaco being one. But I let hope get the best of me.

    http://tour.tv2.dk/article.php/id-7719616.html

    For those who can't get to the link:

    "Nettet er ved at strammes om den colom*bianske bjergrytter Mauricio Soler Her*nandez fra Team Barloworld.

    Tidligere på dagen oplyste Radio Fran*ce, at en af de ryttere, som var iført en af Tourens førertrøjer efter 14. etape, var testet positiv for doping, og i følge TV 2 Sportens oplysninger har Barloworld her til aften fået uan*meldt besøg af det franske politi.

    "Hårdnakkede rygter vil i hvert fald vide, at Soler er under kraftig mistan*ke for at være den seneste dopingsyn*der", siger TV 2 Sportens reporter Jasper Stadum fra Frankrig fredag aften.

    Den positive urinprøve er taget på Plateau de Beille, efter at Alberto Contador havde besejret Michael Rasmussen i deres direkte duel.

    Sent fredag eftermiddag steg mistanken mod Soler i og med, at bookmaker-firmaer i såvel England som Italien har lukket for spil på, at Soler indtager Paris i den prikkede trøje."


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    ^^^Does this say that Soler failed a pee test and that the police raided the Barloworld hotel? Or does it say that someone failed a pee test, Soler was one of those tested, and that police raided a Barloworld bus? Can anyone translate?

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    If it's true, it's pretty tragic. Cinderella story . . . and now we find out that Cinderella dopes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
    As a fan of Barloworld, and a fan of Soler, if this is true, and Soler was found with a positive urine sample as well as the Barloworld bus being raided, what will this mean?I guess it Corti is known for having managed some fairly dubious teams in the past Seaco being one. But I let hope get the best of me.




    http://tour.tv2.dk/article.php/id-7719616.html
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    -- at some point every bike racing fan wants to believe someone will/has not doped and perhaps it's soler for you?

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    Well,

    I am even though I was rooting for Soler, I am not going to defend him in any way, unlike many Vina / Rassy fans. He and Corti should be punished if this is true.

    Lets face it - the guy is 24, but did not start riding until 17, in Columbia, which while known for producing great climbers, is not known for providing a great development program to the point where someone who is 17 should be competing at the top levels of cycling as Soler is.

    Again - I hope this is a rumor, but if not, the blood letting needs to continue.

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    Not saying it's not true...but my usual international haunts show nada and also checked Velo, Cyclingnews, and Pez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bac View Post
    For those who can't get to the link:

    "Nettet er ved at strammes om den colom*bianske bjergrytter Mauricio Soler Her*nandez fra Team Barloworld.

    Tidligere på dagen oplyste Radio Fran*ce, at en af de ryttere, som var iført en af Tourens førertrøjer efter 14. etape, var testet positiv for doping, og i følge TV 2 Sportens oplysninger har Barloworld her til aften fået uan*meldt besøg af det franske politi.

    "Hårdnakkede rygter vil i hvert fald vide, at Soler er under kraftig mistan*ke for at være den seneste dopingsyn*der", siger TV 2 Sportens reporter Jasper Stadum fra Frankrig fredag aften.

    Den positive urinprøve er taget på Plateau de Beille, efter at Alberto Contador havde besejret Michael Rasmussen i deres direkte duel.

    Sent fredag eftermiddag steg mistanken mod Soler i og med, at bookmaker-firmaer i såvel England som Italien har lukket for spil på, at Soler indtager Paris i den prikkede trøje."


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    Uh, what about for those of us who don't speak moon-man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wtex View Post
    Uh, what about for those of us who don't speak moon-man?
    C'mon,

    didn't you go to grade school. Anyone should be able to read this. It is easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
    Well,

    I am even though I was rooting for Soler, I am not going to defend him in any way, unlike many Vina / Rassy fans. He and Corti should be punished if this is true.

    Lets face it - the guy is 24, but did not start riding until 17, in Columbia, which while known for producing great climbers, is not known for providing a great development program to the point where someone who is 17 should be competing at the top levels of cycling as Soler is.

    Again - I hope this is a rumor, but if not, the blood letting needs to continue.
    If this is true???

    Folks! Listen up!

    Tyler doped. Floyd doped. Basso doped. Ullrich doped. Yes, Lance doped.

    Vino dopes. Ras dopes. They all dope. You can't be playing at that level without doping.

    Soler dopes. Levi dopes. Cadel dopes.

    The only issue is whether they can catch them or not.

    If they managed to do he doping correctly they can continue to test "negative" and keep their stuff hidden. Or, they might make a mistake.

    But, it's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
    C'mon,

    didn't you go to grade school. Anyone should be able to read this. It is easy.
    Can someone give me a word for word of what it says in English?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananabike View Post
    Can someone give me a word for word of what it says in English?
    Unfortunately,

    my interpretation was based on someone else's comprehension of it on The Daily Peleton.com.

    So no - I cannot translate it.

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    Here's a computer translation of the original text (it leaves much to be desired):

    Freshened up are tightening about the Columbian mountain rider Mauricio Soler Her-nandez from Team Barloworld. earlier at the day informed Radio Fran-ce that tested positive Sporten's information was, and according to TV 2 Sporten's information here Barloworld just stage, tested positive Sporten's information was, and according to TV 2 Sporten's information just Barloworld here in the evening unannouncedly got visits of French police. "Stubborn rumors will in any case know that Suns are under strong suspicion in order to be the latest doping admirer", the TV 2 Sport's reporter Jasper Stadum from France says on Friday evening. The positive specimen of urine has gone on Plateau de Beille, after Alberto Contador had defeated Michael Rasmussen in their direct duel. Late on Friday afternoon the suspicion rose against Suns since bookmaker companies in both England and Italy have turned off game on that Suns conquer Paris in the dotted jumper.
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    There was an earlier thread suggesting that there was a positive test from Stage 14, which is the stage this article is referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmet Head View Post
    If this is true???

    Folks! Listen up!

    Tyler doped. Floyd doped. Basso doped. Ullrich doped. Yes, Lance doped.

    Vino dopes. Ras dopes. They all dope. You can't be playing at that level without doping.

    Soler dopes. Levi dopes. Cadel dopes.

    The only issue is whether they can catch them or not.

    If they managed to do he doping correctly they can continue to test "negative" and keep their stuff hidden. Or, they might make a mistake.

    But, it's true.
    Is that you Greg?

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    a different moon-man translation

    There seems a new doping matter in gestation in the tour the France. After the fourteenth stage with arrival on plateau the Beille were decreased according to several sources a positive urine test. That then after Vinokourov and Moreni the third positive case in the tour would be.

    It would concern Mauricio Soler, the drager of the bolletjestrui. At this moment there is an irruption of the French police force in the hotel of Barloworld to pace communicates our Danish colleagues of BT. But we could not get that confirmed. Tomorrow at 11 o'clock there is anyway a press conference.

    The rumour which Soler positively would be has already looked after that bookmakers in United Kingdom and Italy have crossed out him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VT Biker View Post
    C'mon,

    didn't you go to grade school. Anyone should be able to read this. It is easy.
    The last time I saw all those bleebops and cosigns and other mathy/hieroglyphic looking things was 15 years ago for the Math II Achievement test. Didn't know what they meant then, don't know what they mean now!

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    Is that saying that bookies in London have taken him off the board for betting on the doper, or betting on him for GC since he is 9th.

    I would bet, that is the Bookies do something, it is because they know it. And if he was taken off the board in London and Italy, my guess is they have inside information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpico7 View Post
    Here's a computer translation of the original text (it leaves much to be desired):
    "Stubborn rumors will in any case know that Suns are under strong suspicion in order to be the latest doping admirer", the TV 2 Sport's reporter Jasper Stadum from France says on Friday evening. The positive specimen of urine has gone on Plateau de Beille, after Alberto Contador had defeated Michael Rasmussen in their direct duel. Late on Friday afternoon the suspicion rose against Suns since bookmaker companies in both England and Italy have turned off game on that Suns conquer Paris in the dotted jumper.
    I'd hate to be the latest doping admirer in the dotted jumper.

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    "The net is beginning to tighten around the Columbian climber Mauricio Soler Hernandez of Team Barloworld.

    Early Friday, Radio France reported that one of the riders wearing a Tour's leader jersey at the completion of the fourteenth stage had tested positive for doping. Further, according to information received by TV2 Sports, Team Barloworld received an unannounced visit from the French police Friday evening.

    "In any case there are persistent rumors that Soler is under strong suspicion as the latest doping sinner," reported TV2 Sport's reporter Jasper Stadum from France on Friday evening.

    The positive urine sample was taken at Plateau de Beille, after Alberto Contador had beaten Michael Rasmussen in the their one-on-one duel with each other.

    Late Friday afternoon, suspicion had intensified about Soler, when bookmakers in England and Italy suspended betting on whether Soler would win the polka-dot jersey when the Tour reached Paris. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by wtex View Post
    The last time I saw all those bleebops and cosigns and other mathy/hieroglyphic looking things was 15 years ago for the Math II Achievement test. Didn't know what they meant then, don't know what they mean now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cromulent View Post
    I'd hate to be the latest doping admirer in the dotted jumper.
    yes, poor Suns

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmotoguy View Post
    "The net is beginning to tighten around the Columbian climber Mauricio Soler Hernandez of Team Barloworld.

    Late Friday afternoon, suspicion had intensified about Soler, when bookmakers in England and Italy suspended betting on whether Soler would win the polka-dot jersey when the Tour reached Paris. "
    Boy, when the bookies think there's something up, it ain't a good sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrionKhan View Post
    Boy, when the bookies think there's something up, it ain't a good sign.
    +1,000

    And as I have said - these guys are plugged into the inside information. It is how they ensure they make money.

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    Maybe the bookies took him off because the KoM is done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmotoguy View Post
    "The net is beginning to tighten around the Columbian climber Mauricio Soler Hernandez of Team Barloworld.

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    Good god, make it stop. Its Colombia, not Columbia!
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