fixedpip

No, I don't want to buy anyway

Anyway, Sinkewitz has confessed to `doping' using a Gel that elevated his testosterone and so did Moreni?

Could someone explain how this works? Or if its been covered before any links that would help someone with limited understanding of biology/chemistry.

I'm just confused as to how rubbing a little gel (as Skinewitz seems to claim) the day before a stage, would really cause your Testosterone levels to soar. Would this really be effective?

ggg300

https://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/For....php?forumid=9

Smoothie104

androgel bud, pretty easy to get as well

www.androgel.com

skanking biker

Wow---that is unfracking believable

SaintAndrew

just so you're clear on this, there isn't any gel that increases testoterone levels. the gels (or patches) that these guys use transdermal delivery systems for synthetic testosterone.

personally i would much rather do subcutaneous injections of test suspension because no one really knows the delivery rate of patches/gels/creams and i would suspect it's variable for each individual.

GV27

Yeah, commonly guys use a transdermal patch - like those nicotine patches folks use to quit smoking. But questions get asked walking around with one of those on, hence the gel.

Smoothie104

stick it on your balls

GV27

LOL - that I don't know about. Apparently there are specific places to put these things. Nicotine patch goes up high on your arm, birth control patch on your shoulder blade or down by your hip.....I have no idea why but supposedly the testosterone patch goes somewhere that is often visible - why people don't wear a long sleeve shirt over it or whatever, again I have no idea! Part of it is the culture that is rapidly being cleaned up. There have been stories of guys seeing a teammate walking around with a testosterone patch and thinking "that's his business". No more - now everyone in the team has a vested interest in the doping of teammates....

I think the patches are pretty even as far as delivery rate. Gels not so much......

GV27

wow

Smoothie104

it goes closest to where natural testosterone is made, stick it on your balls as long as it's a matrix type patch, thats where its supposed to go. If its a resivoir type patch, thigh or abdomen etc..

I had a friend back when i was racing motorcycles, he used to shoot straight testo with a needle. He said it made him want to chase women down the street and jump on the back of thier necks like a wolf. It got really wierd when his beard started growing up right under his eyes. hahahahaa..

SaintAndrew

i'm sure that's true to some degree, but you can also make your own gels with whatever dose you want in your own home relatively easily and for little money by buying transdermal gels and mixing in test suspension. patches are something you'd need, at the very least, a corrupt pharmacy for.

LastPlace

When I took testosterone, which I did for three years, I got a shot in the rump.
The doctor allowed me to self medicate to some degree by saying I could come in every three to four weeks. Wonderful stuff for me. YMMV.

When I first began getting shots there was little change so the doctor had me come in for an additional shot at a higher dosage. The combination made my scrotum, and it's contents, shrink to nothing. Absolutely freaked me out.

Really sorry my current doctor doesn't think I need it.

erader

so your balls shrivelled to raisins and you miss the stuff ?

ed rader

SaintAndrew

sounds like trolling, but anyhoo anyone who's taking intramuscular shots on a relatively infrequent basis is getting testosterone that is chemically attached to an ester to increase it's life in the body. free testosterone, on the other hand, must be taken a couple times a day at least because it's out of the body so quickly. anyone wishing to use it that way is going to want to spike their levels right aroud the most strenuous part of the day so that their body is kept from going catabolic.

LastPlace

No, I'm not trolling. And yes, my scrotum did shrink to nothing for a bit. As the doctor regulated the dosage things got back to normal, or a bit better than normal.

The test I initially took for 'hypogonadism' apparently had a very large range of 'normal' and I was at the low end of the range. The test my curent doctor uses seems to have a narrower range and the doctor says I'm fine.

For me, testosterone affected a number of issues. Yes I did seem to add a bit of muscle mass in the gym but it also affected my disposition in a very positive way. I explain it by saying that before the shot I felt like I was standing in the dark end of a long warehouse building on a cold winter day. Getting the shot was like walking into a shaft of light at the other end. The doctors office gave shots around ten am on Fridays and by 2 pm I felt like a new person. While I have never felt like I'm depressed, it certainly perked me up.

I don't reccommend that anyone take testosterone, or any other medication, lightly, and I don't think it should be used for athletic gains. Another issue is age. To my knowledge there are no long term studies on testosterone and I would be especially careful of this if I were a young person. I started when I was about 51 and was willing to take those risks.

sjwaud

you know this stuff is going one, but on an open message board with SO many people talking about it.... wow. quite an eye opener.

this is also very interesting:
https://outside.away.com/outside/body...ug_test_1.html

LastPlace

The 'Outside' atricle was great and reminded me that when I was on Testosterone my eyesight did improve a bit.