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Old 09-20-07, 06:22 PM   #1
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Anyone See ESPN About Landis ?

On Pardon The Interuption today both of the hosts said "cycling is a fringe sport" and the Landi story just proves why no one is interested in the Tour De France. I couldnt believe they called it a "fringe sport". I have no opinion on Landis and his guilt or innocence but I love cycling and I am worried about how this affects the younger American population and their interest in cycling. Then to top it off you have main stream media saying this is proof that cycling SHOULD be a "fringe sport".
Everyday I turn on the tv and see "main stream" sports stars being arrested for ****, murder, animal cruelty, tax evasion, robbery, gun charges and other crimes and yet the media here praises them.
I have no explination why , I am just dismayed. I really hope to see cycling stay strong in America and I think its important for the sport to get positive coverage for the younger generations. Landis didnt help that cause but the mainstream media sure isnt either.

btw - the tour de france wasnt televised in my area but poker was on two different channels
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Old 09-20-07, 06:40 PM   #2
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ESPN used to be a good channel, but have become a joke. A lot of athletes do crap just to be on sports center and bring attention to themselves, not to mention the attention the talking heads think they deserve. The only time I watch it now is if I can find a game on the radio and watch it with the sound off.
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Old 09-20-07, 07:11 PM   #4
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ESPN used to be a good channel, but have become a joke.
Amen!

Sunflower, don't worry too much about cycling the sport. There's a whole generation of kids that had LA as an influence coming up, and they'll bring the sport to new heights in the U.S.
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Old 09-21-07, 05:53 AM   #5
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LOL
poker = sport
Cycling = fringe sport
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NASCAR! Real athletes drive cars around in circles for hours.

This whole cycling thing is never going to catch on.
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PTI is a terrible show. Those guys like to say things like that to piss people off.
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ESPN is geared around the big 3 in North America sports, thus they hire based on that. It just kills me when they try to cover anything else, such as nascar, cycling and so forth. Please don't have football writers and players report on anything other then football.

The PTI hosts are really good sports writers, but the show is about shock and no substance.
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On Pardon The Interuption today both of the hosts said "cycling is a fringe sport" and the Landi story just proves why no one is interested in the Tour De France. I couldnt believe they called it a "fringe sport". I have no opinion on Landis and his guilt or innocence but I love cycling and I am worried about how this affects the younger American population and their interest in cycling. Then to top it off you have main stream media saying this is proof that cycling SHOULD be a "fringe sport".
Okay, I didn't see PTI, nor do I think PTI or ESPN is a good source of sporting news (deadspin!). That being said, the PTI statement that cycling is a fringe sport because no one is really interested in the judgment is a valid argument.

Think about it this way; if the Indianapolis Colts had to turn over their rings to the Chicago Bears because Payton was caught doping, or the Colts were caught stealing signals this would be HUGE national news. Everyone would be talking about it, it would move out of the realm of sports reporting and move into the national cycle. Someone in Congress would likely propose some stupid legislation. The point is the ENTIRE nation would be watching.

In this case, I noticed that the Landis story occupied Yahoo's front page for the afternoon, but was gone by the evening. It is not on the front page of the NY Times or LA Times online sites, and is only mentioned below the scroll on the SD Union Tribune.

I think it's safe to say that cycling is a fringe sport. That being said, this whole thing smacks of McCarthyism to me.
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Old 09-21-07, 11:19 AM   #10
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cycling is a fringe sport according to the mainstream media. that's pretty much a fact that we're going to have to deal with.

i liken the mainstream media to a big dumb kid that got held back a few years in school and bullies everyone on the playground to make himself feel better. mainstream media is little more than a troll...hungry for ratings and controversy. and what do we do about trolls? we stop feeding them.
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I'm pretty sure the least of cycling's worries is being dissed by TK Stackmoney from DCtown. Moreso a guest host if Mr. Tony wasn't in that night.

Good lord, sometimes we sound like soccer fans -- not that being whiny is bad or anything. When I'm not whining about how little respect cycling gets, I dig that it's a fringe sport. Sort of like watching curling in the Olympics and knowing what's going on. I'm in on a cool secret. A cool, elitist secret. Woo hoo!

Yeah, and ESPN has always been a little spotty around the edges (and sometimes in the middle).
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Old 09-21-07, 04:53 PM   #12
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the mainstream media is very good at presenting a view held by 10% of the population as "common" and "regular". cycling is NOT a fringe sport as evidence of the number of cyclists in america.
as matter of principal though, why is poker on ESPN ? last i heard being drunk, smoking, wearing stupid sunglasses indoors, and sitting on your ass for hours while you gamble away money that could be spent on something productive WASNT a sport. maybe ESPN has gone the way of mtv and doesnt air what their name says anymore.
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I too am very concerned. What would happen if cycling was no longer a mainstream sport ?
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I saw it. I'm a cyclist and a PTI fan. Don't be so thin-skinned. We're right up there with curling and lacrosse in the national sports psyche.
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I pretty much believe whatever Stuart Scott's googly-eye tells me to believe.
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NASCAR! Real athletes drive cars around in circles for hours.

This whole cycling thing is never going to catch on.
Actually, Nascar and Cycling have something in common: Neither is a stick & ball sport so neither are considered "Sports" and neither are covered much by ESPN
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It is a fringe sport in the US, regardless of how many people participate in it for recreation or pure transportation. Until the 1930's it was a huge sport in this country, but it has been replaced.

Running is a fringe sport too as is walking as is swimming and more people participate in those than football, baseball and basketball combined.

So what is wrong with being a fringe sport? Does that make it less enjoyable to participate in or watch or follow? In my opinion there isn't a major sport around that money hasn't screwed up.

My daughter runs cross country and I help coach it. Trust me it is a much better experience than football is. Less pressure, much more camraderie, and a sport that you can keep at for most of your life. Not only is it a team sport but individuals on a weak team can still shine. Spectators are few but the kids from all teams support everyone. For the most part you get out of it what you put into it as long as your are of average ability, much like cycling. With our cyckling group it pretty much is the person who puts in the time who is at the front of the pack.
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+1 to julian. Cycling is, and has been for a great many years nothing but a fringe sport in the US. Acting insulted and whining about it being called a fringe sport doesn't change that fact. What percentage of the US population gives a rats behind about cycling? Hell, what percentage of the US population believes bicycles are anything more than a kids toy? When I started cycling in 1972 it was considered a hippie-fringe thing. Now, we have no hippies so its just a fringe thing. And BTW the NASCAR Drives run at extremely high heart rates, so anymore it behoves them to be pretty fit, just not cycling fit
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I couldn't care less if cycling is a "fringe sport." NASCAR and poker are certainly mainstream, and I think you have to be an absolute moron to call those activities "sports".
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So cycling is a fringe sport. So what?

I can remember back 40 years to my father who absolutely despaired because his son and namesake was absolutely pathetic at (take a deep breath) baseball, football, basketball, wrestling, golf, and tennis (the mainstream stuff at my high school). Completely disinterested in hunting and fishing. In fact his kid was an underweight, completely out of shape little twerp who didn't do well in classes, either.

Then said kid went to college. Discovered cycling, fencing, soccer and rugby (this is back in the late 60's). Turned into one heck of an amateur athlete, although completely in sports that dad couldn't understand in the slightest. Fringe sports, you know. Got into real good shape, which he still is 40 years later.

Sports is sports. What fringe is America is huge in Belgium. And visa-versa. What does it matter?

Oh yeah, NASCAR is NOT a sport because they don't race in the rain. Formula 1, MotoGP, World Superbike, bicycle racing all pound on ahead no matter what the weather. NASCAR parks it's fake stock cars. NASCAR is motorsports answer to the World Wrestling Federation.
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I couldn't care less if cycling is a "fringe sport." NASCAR and poker are certainly mainstream, and I think you have to be an absolute moron to call those activities "sports".
Dude! You are my hero! What a turn around. People like you have much more respect from me than those doping whining pro cyclists.
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I'm glad we are fringe! With Landis on the skids maybe we can become obscure again, Too may fat people are walking around in US Postal/Discovery jerseys as it is
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I'm glad we are fringe! With Landis on the skids maybe we can become obscure again, Too may fat people are walking around in US Postal/Discovery jerseys as it is
I'm a big fat cyclist.

I put in 3-4,000 miles/year.

Why the hate?
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I'm not fat.





Just big-boned
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Competitive cycling is fringe. Football is a better spectator sport. And for those of you that don't get it, PTI is mostly satire. Who cares? Just ride.
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