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Old 11-20-07, 06:32 PM   #1
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Could Lance Have Won a Tour De France On A Bike.....

...from Sports Chalet ? I saw a Diamond Back road bike at Sports Chalet for $599.00 . I was wondering how much difference a bike makes to a rider like Lance. Think he could have won a Tour with one of those bikes ?
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Old 11-20-07, 08:23 PM   #2
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More importantly, could Popeye beat up Batman?

And on a more general note...If things were different, what would they be like?

(And my opinion- "no".)

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If everyone else was riding similar bikes, yes. But he'd still put the hurt on a lot of people even if eveyone else didn't use the same bike.

Popeye could only beat Batman if he had a can of spinach.
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I'd say no. The winning margins are pretty small and little things make a difference. It has been calculated that if Figneon had not had his ponytail flapping in the wind on the final TT he would ahv bet Lemond.

A bike doesn't have to be that much inferior to cost a lot of time ofver 2000 miles. It isn't just weight, though that difference alone might be enough. Bet that bike is less stiff wher it counts. Shifting would be less precise and slower.

The final add in is how it would effect various riders mindsets. Others would think he was vunerable. His creating an aura of being invincible help considerably in a couple of his wins, the opposite would have hurt just as much. If outers knew he was riding an inferior bike and knew just how it was inferior they would have attacked those weaknesses and if that came into play he would have had no chance at all.
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Yes, it would appear Lance would win -

Lance vs Jan


Whereas Batman would leather Popeye, in fact it would be quite a bloodbath!

Popeye v Batman
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Yes, it would appear Lance would win -

Lance vs Jan


Whereas Batman would leather Popeye, in fact it would be quite a bloodbath!

Popeye v Batman

That was cool!!
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More importantly, could Popeye beat up Batman?

And on a more general note...If things were different, what would they be like?

(And my opinion- "no".)

I LOL'D

really, I did.
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If everyone else was riding similar bikes, yes. But he'd still put the hurt on a lot of people even if eveyone else didn't use the same bike.

Popeye could only beat Batman if he had a can of spinach.
Popeye was a doper.
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No.
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nope, nope... batman wins

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...e&word2=batman
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If he rode the Kent GMC Denali, he might have a shot..........
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HI... actually hs is/was so good than no matter what bike he rides he might been able to win anyways.

I have to put something clear... I wouldnt race in a 500 bucks junk anyways and i lance wouldnt, but probably any low level ridley or an aluminum cyfac? at least something respectable, not a wall mart 100 bucks bike.

The rider makes the bike famous. Many bikes are cheap and fast as hell but how nobody have been able to win a world cup or something important in them, they are entittled as bad bikes.

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HI... actually hs is/was so good than no matter what bike he rides he might been able to win anyways.

I have to put something clear... I wouldnt race in a 500 bucks junk anyways and i lance wouldnt, but probably any low level ridley or an aluminum cyfac? at least something respectable, not a wall mart 100 bucks bike.

The rider makes the bike famous. Many bikes are cheap and fast as hell but how nobody have been able to win a world cup or something important in them, they are entittled as bad bikes.

Cya.
Yea, so much better that everyone else he could just show up and win. So why didn't he ever win 2 Major tours in one year? Why no Tour/ worlds double?

Lance won the TDF because he was talented and focused. He paid attention to all the details and pointed towards one race each year. Now if he was not very talented he still would not have won, but he was not head and shoulders above the rest.
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Lance could have won on a bike like this:



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Lance also had a very talented team dedicated to one single minded task...seeing to it that Lance won the Tour.
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I would be surprised if the drive train and wheels on a $500.00 bike would last more than one leg of the tour under the power that someone like Lance can produce.
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I would be surprised if the drive train and wheels on a $500.00 bike would last more than one leg of the tour under the power that someone like Lance can produce.
Finally a post that is Lance supporting that I really like. To nit pick I'd give even money the bike would last til the first mountian stage, after all the real GC contenders are pretty much just sitting in on those first few sprinters stages.

Could be a fun thing though, after all some places they bet on almost anything (First score, over/unders..). With this we could have how many KMs til bike failure!
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He would just have to take more drugs then he did then.
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He would just have to take more drugs then he did then.
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If he had a brand new one, perfectly dialed in, at the start of every stage (to minimize the possible breakage factor), my guess is he would not have won seven Tours, but he would have won two or three.

The real difference between Lance and everyone else was not raw talent (Ullrich was at least as physically gifted overall, and there were any number of better pure climbers) but desire (and a modicum of luck - no Tour-ending crashes, no irretrievably bad days at the crucial time, very few mechanical problems at exactly the wrong moment, etc.). He simply wanted it more than anyone else, and he worked his butt off to win. And that remains true whether or not you believe he doped. He was pretty driven even before the cancer, but post-cancer, he was simply the most driven racer in the peloton, and makes the short list of most driven racers in the history of the sport.

Oh, and don't forget about his anger. The man ran on the stuff; it's almost as if anger was a critical nutrient for him. Anger at cancer, anger at the Cofidis team for dumping him, anger at the cycling world for belittling his first TdF win as against 2nd rate competition, and especially anger at the French press for its seemingly endless series of antagonistic articles. Every time L'Equipe ran another anti-Lance piece, I knew that he was going to win - again. You'd have thought L'Equipe would learn but nooooooooooo.
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i think a bike that crappy would make a huge difference.. but if he was on a somewhat comparable bike the would be fine....
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ok I'll take the anti position since no one seems willing to.

These days 599 will get you a basic alu fram and Tiagra level stuff. Wheels, depending which model, are still better than what Lemond/Fignon rode most days.

Leave out TTs, assume the bike is tuned, I bet he'd still win.

There. And if I'm wrong I'll buy you a beer.
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These days 599 will get you a basic alu fram and Tiagra level stuff. Wheels, depending which model, are still better than what Lemond/Fignon rode most days.

Leave out TTs, assume the bike is tuned, I bet he'd still win.
I have my doubts. (And you could substitute "Lance" for any winner. )

Lance beat Basso by 4' 40", Ullrich by a mere 1' 01", most others by 6-7', including time bonuses. And that's over 21 days of racing.

Even though it isn't directly cumulative, that's a very slim margin. The difference between a $600 entry-level road bike and a $4,000+ custom racing bike may be small, but I don't think it's THAT small....
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With world class atheletes, many events are won by seconds or fractions of seconds.
Its because of this that the choice of equipment is the absolute best performance.
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