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Old 06-30-08, 10:45 AM
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The CAS attitude and decision on the case is very disturbing. To the point of making me feel that they were paid off. I am not saying I believe Floyd is innocent but they have so completely discounted several expert witnesses testimony that thier decision process cannot be taken seriously.
This was kind of my thought.
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Old 06-30-08, 07:10 PM
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Agree. The sport needs to be cleaned up from the top down, not from the bottom up. Not to say that the riders are all innocent, but the hierarchy needs to be regurgitated first.

No TDF for me. The riders should group together and boycott. JMHO
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I think he is done and I think he is guilty of the allegations. Fair or not, I have had it with pro athletes of all sports with PEDs. I am too tired of a star having some strong statement against them and then testing positive (marion jones, Raffy Palmero, etc). Fans are way too quick to believe their hero's and accept insane excuses.
Many will say it is not fair, but I (and many others) have taken the guilty until proven otherwise approach to this issue. There is too much money and too much fame on the line and people will do anything to win. It is, at the same time, what makes top athletes amazing and makes many cheat - the win at all costs mindset.
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What the CSA really said is that if a rider appeals they will slap him with a 100k fee for his effort......like they did Landis. So what rider would want to appeal anything? Simply put your guilty until proven inocent....and don't forget that because the system does not allow for any real appeal to happen.
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I couldn't care less if Landis was doping. That is a personal decision with minor societal issues. I have a bigger problem with the handling of his case which reveals a stunning disregard for fair play, justice, and due process. Landis can be guilty AND get a raw deal which is what I think happened here.

The lesson from this case to every future accused rider is to quit the sport as soon as your accused and fight to keep whatever money you have without regard to your guilt. Fighting isn't worth the costs and you won't ride again so why waste the time/money fighting the corrupt system. If I was a current rider I would squirrel away all my money into someplace the UCI can't sue me for it- just in case.
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Originally Posted by Trevor98
I couldn't care less if Landis was doping. That is a personal decision with minor societal issues. I have a bigger problem with the handling of his case which reveals a stunning disregard for fair play, justice, and due process. Landis can be guilty AND get a raw deal which is what I think happened here.

The lesson from this case to every future accused rider is to quit the sport as soon as your accused and fight to keep whatever money you have without regard to your guilt. Fighting isn't worth the costs and you won't ride again so why waste the time/money fighting the corrupt system. If I was a current rider I would squirrel away all my money into someplace the UCI can't sue me for it- just in case.
i agree. i think he did it, but the system has nothing to do with due process or fair play. it's really just a kangaroo court
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Old 07-02-08, 02:32 PM
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Landis may still get to ride pro for a while with a team like Rock Racing after Jan. of 2009. He could still have a few productive years of making money but at a lower level. However, I don't think the TDF organizers will ever let him in that race again. And if they are not part of UCI they won't have to let him in even if he proves clean and with a clean team.

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Old 07-02-08, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Trevor98
I couldn't care less if Landis was doping. That is a personal decision with minor societal issues. I have a bigger problem with the handling of his case which reveals a stunning disregard for fair play, justice, and due process. Landis can be guilty AND get a raw deal which is what I think happened here.

The lesson from this case to every future accused rider is to quit the sport as soon as your accused and fight to keep whatever money you have without regard to your guilt. Fighting isn't worth the costs and you won't ride again so why waste the time/money fighting the corrupt system. If I was a current rider I would squirrel away all my money into someplace the UCI can't sue me for it- just in case.
+1 , although I believe Floyd was framed by the organizers. End result is the same, none the less. Fed up with watching TDF or rooting any particular rider or team. Watching Pro cycling has rapidly digressed to kinda like being a dedicated baseball fan.
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Regardless of the drug stuff I thought Landis wasn’t going to be able to ride again due to some injury. Wasn’t that one of the big "drama" stories from that TDF or am I thinking of someone else?
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Landis finished the Tour with a damaged hip that was replaced shortly afterwards. While no rider has ever competed at that level with an artificial hip Landis was going to try. It is doubtful that a chance to ride the TdF will ever come his way again but he has successfully competed in some marathon MTB competitions with good results.

I'm torn with the whole doping thing. I'm not impressed with Floyd and to be honest I kind of just want him to go away but there's a nagging voice in my head that's whispering that he's getting jobbed and it's fundamentally wrong.


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Originally Posted by Walter

I'm torn with the whole doping thing. I'm not impressed with Floyd and to be honest I kind of just want him to go away but there's a nagging voice in my head that's whispering that he's getting jobbed and it's fundamentally wrong.


THe powers that be want a fallen hero so that it will impress upon the minds of those who might try to get away with doping that it could prove very costly. It is now a criminal offense to dope in France and if an althlete is caught doping in France during the race he can face not only suspension but 1 year in jail.

Team management distributing doping supplies to their riders in France will face even longer jail times. Up to five or ten years I believe. THis means that if a teams management is providing these things and are caught in France they can go to jail for even longer periods of time.

It's obvious the French are serious about getting rid of this in the TDF. Even to the point of getting unethical themselves.

I for one would like Landis to come back with his artificial hip and ride a clean TDF with good results. But I don't believe they will ever let him race again in that event.

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Old 07-04-08, 05:07 PM
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Re:So is Landis done?

The sad truth is that there are riders that are tested every week that pass with flying colors. I've escorted a couple to be tested, and rather than be pissed off about the trouble, were glad to go through it for themselves and the sport. Of course these riders didn't have the resources to attempt to blind testing, nor the resources to fight the testing results at such a high level. Up to the last few years, pro cycling among the elite had both.

I thought it was interesting that Landis drew little support by the peloton, but now it seems that many riders are actually standing up and supporting the testing to prove they are clean. I don't think they would take this stand if they considered the testing bogus since they could be next.

I never thought cycling could be a clean sport. Maybe I was wrong. I hope so.
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The testing is a joke and only catches mistakes. Clearly the testing is flawed as so many athletes get busted without testing positive. So the question becomes why wouldn't riders support the testing they know they can beat in order to increase the profitability of the sport? Professional cycling is in crisis right now: fans are abondoning the sport and taking sponsors with them so budgets are down, cyclist futures are uncertain (ask Contador) as the GTOs and UCI continue in their childish fight, and the sport has become synonymous with doping so personal sponsorships and respectablity are off.

Maybe the pro riders are clean now, but don't you think that some hungry kid will use the next untestable wonder cream to win big if the chance of getting busted is less than perfect? Cycling is in a catch 22 right now- doping bust prove that cyclists dope and a lack of busts prove that the UCI isn't good enough at catching them. I don't know if pro cycling can ever reverse the doping image regardless of the doping reality.
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