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Old 07-21-08, 05:16 PM   #26
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It would be pretty great if Cadel, VDV and Evans all lost some time (but not too much) to several other contenders before the time trial. I'd love to see the TT be an all out battle with more than 2 or 3 riders still hanging on to their hopes.
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Old 07-22-08, 01:30 AM   #27
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ummmm do you mean menchov when you said evans????
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If you could only watch one stage of the Tour...this is the one. How many do you think abandon either before or during this stage?
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Old 07-22-08, 12:47 PM   #29
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CSC has to attack early. Cannot wait for final climb. Break evans early!
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ummmm do you mean menchov when you said evans????
No, I meant Menchov when I said Cadel
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Old 07-22-08, 05:27 PM   #31
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I think VDV has to do something here, he's too far down to get that back in the time trial. Unless he sabotages the bikes of Menchov and Evans and they pull an "Ullrich" on him!

That said, I'm going with Sastre to win the stage.
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Old 07-22-08, 05:40 PM   #32
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So is anyone attacking on the Croix Fer, or are they going to wait until the Alpe? Maybe someone 6-10 minutes down, someone that can't just be let go?
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I see CSC sending Voight up the road again in an early break for later on. CSC setting another blistering pace in the valley before L'Alpe d'Huez.

After the selection is made on the climb Kohl will attack bringing Sastre with him and breaking the elastic with Evans. If all of the early break is caught then Kohl FTW taking 2mins from Evans. Andy will continue to ride well and pace Frank all the way to the line possibly with VDV, now whether they are in front or behind Evans...I'm not sure, maybe just in front by 20sec or so.

I think Menchov will gain a small amount of time on Evans also.

Oh and Valverde...he'll be toast on this climb.
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Old 07-22-08, 06:13 PM   #34
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I have a feeling CSC is going to put up a blistering pace tomorrow right from the gun. Everyone on CSC is going to be wiped out before the final climb, barring the brotherly duo and sastre. Andy will lead out sastre and schleck. I think when sastre's wiped, he'll lead out frank or vice-versa depending on who's got the legs (frank should be the geared winner).

I know alpe d'huez is the most fabled climb of the tour, but it seems shorter than the ones today. Is it much steeper?
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Old 07-22-08, 07:05 PM   #35
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i am sure there will be quite a few abandons tomorrow or just non starters. It's the last week, if you don't have a hope in hell, or you're going to Beijing, then why kill yourself getting over the alpe? sprinters are the most likely to drop out at this point or anyone who's injured and not feeling great.

Watch the spaniards, watch sastre or any of the basques, samuel sanchez, and italian climbers usually do well on the alpe.
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Old 07-22-08, 08:06 PM   #36
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Hi... cadel might crack tomorrow... sad anyways but something to think is that the shcleck brothers are doing ok but they do not look a super climbers, besides... tomorrow it will hurt for them too. Valverde is toasted, probably will do better in the TT. Menchov is doing ok but again doesnt look as a couple of years ago.

I'm still with cadel but i know he will crak for sure, unless he has somebody on his team to help him out or have somebody from euskatel to give him a hand or something, he needs help tomorrow. Christian is doing ok but tomorrow he will lose a bunch of time unless he has somebody to help him out in his team, same as cadel... he doesnt have team to support him.

The TT will decide for sure.

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Old 07-22-08, 09:56 PM   #37
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Well, if the Schleck/Kohl climbing axis needs to put 2min into Evans, they might have to start earlier. There are 3 HC climbs, right? I think they will try and soften up Evans on the first, and try and go on the second. If one of the CSC riders can pace them on the flat before Huez, they could put big time into Evans. Otherwise, their only hope is that Evans cracks on l'Alpe. I think he will ride his pace up that and limit his losses, in which case he should win. Vandevelde and Menchov need to gain some time on Evans and not lose any to the climbers, so they might well work with him til the last climb. Should be interesting anyway.

Btw, where are the Rabos? Last year, Menchov and Boogerd where everywhere, working for Rasmussen. It's strange that Menchov has so little support this year.
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Well, if the Schleck/Kohl climbing axis needs to put 2min into Evans, they might have to start earlier. There are 3 HC climbs, right? I think they will try and soften up Evans on the first, and try and go on the second. If one of the CSC riders can pace them on the flat before Huez, they could put big time into Evans. Otherwise, their only hope is that Evans cracks on l'Alpe. I think he will ride his pace up that and limit his losses, in which case he should win. Vandevelde and Menchov need to gain some time on Evans and not lose any to the climbers, so they might well work with him til the last climb. Should be interesting anyway.

Btw, where are the Rabos? Last year, Menchov and Boogerd where everywhere, working for Rasmussen. It's strange that Menchov has so little support this year.
Boogerd retired. Flecha and Weening are about all Denny has.

As much as I'm not a fan, I think Kohl is likely going to put serious time into the other leaders.
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Massive attacking straight away with a lot of nobodies getting away as the GC men watch each other. They'll want to save as much as they can for the final climb and if Sastre doesn't attack today, he's finished. Save for Menchov. Kohl also needs more time on Evans. If VdV tried to go away early, the others just might let him go, thinking to pick him up later. Doubtful, though.

Some of the pure climbers will get away, get a huge lead, and eventually win the stage.

Does CSC have anything left in the tank? They hammer the pace up only to have nobody attack off the front. They did dislodge Menchov and VdV yesterday but today is a different beast altogether.

My favorite Alpe d'Huez video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=GHJErrp4eOw
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only one position in GC, from fifth to sixth, but the time loss was bigger: from 39 seconds down to 3'15.
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uh oh. popo looks like he's gone
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Looks like most of the break from yesterday is cooked today. I expect Cunego to loose a lot of time on L'alpe Duez.

I'm very surprised of Schumacher being out front again. That was along ride yesterday.
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i don't think the hard work by csc on the croix de fer was intended to get rid of evans and menchov, like paul is saying. i think it was intended to isolate them both on d'huez while they have 2 or 3 members there
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