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    gives it to frank. i don't think he minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny View Post
    roundabouts have historically been a problem. there are crashes every year at roundabouts, not only in the tdf, but in other races. they should route the riders around one side, but that would diminish the spectacle, especially for tv viewers who love the helicopter camera views of the riders splitting and rejoining.
    you also halve the width of the road in most cases which isn't exactly safe.

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    What fantastic stage and a great ride by Kohl. They did what they needed to do to break Evans.

    What a great tour!

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    Best stage so far.

    It's going to come down to the final TT unless CSC or Cadel can turn it on on the Alpes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dutret View Post
    you also halve the width of the road in most cases which isn't exactly safe.
    well, that is one full lane if it's a 2 lane road.. seems like it would work..

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    Great stage. Now there are 6 riders within 1 minute of the leader. And Kirchen did not lose a great deal of time. Valverde rode well; pity he could not manage that earlier.

    Does anyone think Martinez messed that one up? I did not see all the climb because I was fumbling around for a new live feed.

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    That was one of the best stages I've ever seen!!! Great tour...Ricco who?
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    Fantastic stage.

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    pate really hung in there....i figured he'd be the first to drop

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    Quote Originally Posted by acorn_user View Post
    Great stage. Now there are 6 riders within 1 minute of the leader. And Kirchen did not lose a great deal of time. Valverde rode well; pity he could not manage that earlier.

    Does anyone think Martinez messed that one up? I did not see all the climb because I was fumbling around for a new live feed.
    Martinez had dropped Gerrans a couple of times. I think he felt that he had the better sprint and so just left it till the finish since he couldn't get rid of them.

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    Thought it was good to see Cadel having to put in a real effort. Agree with all the above - great finish.

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    Great work by Andy Schleck forcing the tempo and trying to put Cadel in a hurt box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2wheeled View Post
    Those roundabouts are never usually a problem, there've already gone through 2-3 since the crash. There must have been oil or something on the road to see that many riders wheels just slip away from them.
    What did Vaughters say about oil? "It's Italy, there's going to be oil"... I'm kinda paraphrasing there. lol

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    Great stage. I thought my DVR was going to cutoff the final minutes. Whew... had 2 minutes to spare...

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    Great stage! I was getting so sick of Cofidis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzlobo View Post
    Great stage. I thought my DVR was going to cutoff the final minutes. Whew... had 2 minutes to spare...
    Ours shut off before the podium and results were announced, but at least we saw the finish.

    Great racing, both within the breakaway, and among the GC contenders. Has there been a tour with so many so close this late?

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    This was such a great stage... made even better by Cadel losing the yellow shirt.
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    I'd love to see Frank Schleck win this tour.

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    pate is pretty good as a climber...too bad cadel lost the jersey though, but i like shleck. Yikes, though, that crash by Pereiro. There the rest of his season! there's always one team in every grand tour that just gets completely decimated by injuries and bad luck, and by the time they get to the finish, there's like two of them left.This year it seems to be Caisse Epargne-ever since the win by valverde and his high standing, they seem to have some kind of Spanish curse on them. There's another week though...

    some real suffering going on today, and bad luck for menchov!

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    What a great stage! I just finished watching it off the DVR, as I was out doing a 60 mile bike ride this morning. The update on Peirero (did I get it right?) is that he has a broken shoulder but no broken leg, so that is a bit better. Still, it's sad to see him out of the Tour.

    I think Menchov got a bit tailed off at the end there, probably from having to chase so hard after that freaky crash. He really looked to be the strongest to me today, gazing around at all the others and especially at Evans. Cadel looked bad for the last half of the climb. You just could sense he wasn't going to be able to cover all the breaks. I was amazed at how strong Kohl was...and now things are so tight that you can throw a blanket over the top 6 guys.

    An awesome Tour so far!! Now you have to wonder if Evans is going to be in trouble on Tuesday and/or Wednesday. My money is still on Menchov.

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    i think in thee next 2 stages we will see the times spread out more. I think the little guy Sastre will take min 2 minutes in the next couple stages and will have yellow on stage 17. As the road gets steeper it favors him. Schleck will lose the jersey on TUesday. Kohl will have a bad day and VDV has a real chance at podium. I think a Pure Climber will win this. Not by much. seconds. .. I would love to see Valverde (Piti) show up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzlobo View Post
    Great stage. I thought my DVR was going to cutoff the final minutes. Whew... had 2 minutes to spare...
    Yeah, whew !!! Saw the finish, but really close !! What a great Tour this year. The best is yet to come !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzie Green View Post
    What a great stage! I just finished watching it off the DVR, as I was out doing a 60 mile bike ride this morning. The update on Peirero (did I get it right?) is that he has a broken shoulder but no broken leg, so that is a bit better. Still, it's sad to see him out of the Tour.

    I think Menchov got a bit tailed off at the end there, probably from having to chase so hard after that freaky crash. He really looked to be the strongest to me today, gazing around at all the others and especially at Evans. Cadel looked bad for the last half of the climb. You just could sense he wasn't going to be able to cover all the breaks. I was amazed at how strong Kohl was...and now things are so tight that you can throw a blanket over the top 6 guys.

    An awesome Tour so far!! Now you have to wonder if Evans is going to be in trouble on Tuesday and/or Wednesday. My money is still on Menchov.
    OK, you're staying after school young lady...Pereiro

    Cadel got worked over today and they will need to do it again on Tuesday and hit him early on that last climb, Sastre, Kohl & Schlek will need 2 mins on Evans.

    Did you see your man Voigt dragging the bunch along and he kept going on the lower slopes of the last climb. I think he's the one who popped popovych. Great stuff.

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    Popo dosen't seem to have the mojo jojo this past few days...and to think Ligget was saying he is coming to form...then again the mighty CSC-Saxo is strutting their stuff :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2wheeled View Post
    OK, you're staying after school young lady...Pereiro

    Cadel got worked over today and they will need to do it again on Tuesday and hit him early on that last climb, Sastre, Kohl & Schlek will need 2 mins on Evans.

    Did you see your man Voigt dragging the bunch along and he kept going on the lower slopes of the last climb. I think he's the one who popped popovych. Great stuff.
    Voigt even looks stronger than Cunego which is really surprising. I half-figured that just being in Italy would be enough to rally Damiano and get him to play in front of the home crowd, but he is proving to be a major disappointment. This whole thing is going to come down to 3 issues:

    1. How much time can Sastre and Frank Schleck get on Evans, Menchov, Vandevelde so that they stand a chance in the time trial?

    2. How much time do Menchov and Vandevelde need on Evans so that they can hold him off in the time trial?

    3. Will Kohl crack and how much of a wild card is he?

    Of course a lot of these questions might be moot if Evans cracks on Tues/Weds and loses 5-10 minutes to the rest. After seeing his vulnerability today, I'm thinking that's not out of the question. This may come down to a battle between Vandevelde and Menchov, both of them chasing down Sastre in the TT.

    I'm so excited I can barely spell "Pereiro!"

    And I'll excuse you for calling me "young" lady...but I'll wallow in the compliment for a few more hours.
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