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Old 07-21-08, 06:56 PM   #101
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By reputation, I thought Evans was a fairly competent descender, though he's no Falco Salvodelli. I seem to remember him being much better than Chicken last year. Am I wrong?

The Schlecks... well, yeah.

Who out of the top 6 could possibly gain some time on tomorrow's descent?
watch last years lombardia, then you'll say he's (Cadel) no rasmussen on descents.

I doubt anyone will gain enough time on the final run in tomorrow to make too big a gap, unless Super Jens can get over top the 2nd climb in a break, sastre/schlecks beat up cadel and get away, then Super Jens takes whoever is with the CSC survivor to the line.

Cant wait to see what plays out tomorrow!
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I would love to see Jens win a stage this tour. That would be an awsome way to do it too.
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Old 07-21-08, 08:13 PM   #103
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And is it just me or does kohl look like a bulldog when he climbs mountains lol...?
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I would love to see Jens win a stage this tour. That would be an awsome way to do it too.
I like Jens too, but it won't happen on stage 16 or 17.
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Oh I know, its fun to think about though
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you guys must have watched a different section of the race to the 20 km of flattish stuff where pate sat at the back, but then i guess he could well have just been there waiting for some garmin fellers to make it up to the front.

it is funny though that you americans like to bag the crap out of other riders like cadel evans for 'wheelsucking' even though there may be very valid tactical reasons for it, but then when someone points at an american rider wheelsucking (though there may also be equally valid reasons for that) you won't have a bar of criticism. what's with all these "double, or sliding, standards"?
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Honestly I have no problem with wheelsucking. I just dislike Cadel.
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at least you're honest! thanks. cadel isn't my favourite either, for those who think i carry a photo of him in my wallet.

i want big jan to come back, and indurain.

and robbie. where did he go this year?
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watch last years lombardia, then you'll say he's (Cadel) no rasmussen on descents.
He claimed his vision was effected by getting something in his eye coming of the Ghisallo IIRC. Still, he's not the worlds greatest descender by any stretch of the imagination.
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Those guys he was riding with were better climbers than he was. And stronger. He even admitted that he almost got dropped on the first climb without doing anywork. He was just hanging on. Did you actually ride a bicycle? Have you ever climbed with stronger riders just trying to hang on to the back? Sometimes all you can do is hang on. That's what Gerrans was doing the same on the final climb until right at the end, but he won so good riding. Martinez was the strongest of all the four, but lost because thats racing. Further, Pate did equal work on the flats. You can go back to snuggling with your Cadel Evans doll now.
+1 on Pate doing his share and actually a bit more on the flats. The commentators even suggested he needed to work a bit less in case he was needed by Vandevelde. On all but the last climb, he did his share, not quite a 25% margin but close enough to satisfy the other riders. On the last climb, nobody would expect Pate to pace the stronger climbers to the top.

Cadel handled the attacks as best he could and lived to fight another day. Good thing for Andy Schleck the rest day arrived; he must've gone 110% with all those attacks.

Menchov, Sastre, Schleck know they have to gain more time on Cadel if they want to win this thing. I'd rather see Vandevelde also attack and have a time advantage to protect in the TT than to have to come from behind to win it. If it isn't sorted out on Stage 16, the Alpe D'Huez should settle it for the TT.


All in all, an awesome stage for what is a very exciting Tour.
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you guys must have watched a different section of the race to the 20 km of flattish stuff where pate sat at the back, but then i guess he could well have just been there waiting for some garmin fellers to make it up to the front.

it is funny though that you americans like to bag the crap out of other riders like cadel evans for 'wheelsucking' even though there may be very valid tactical reasons for it, but then when someone points at an american rider wheelsucking (though there may also be equally valid reasons for that) you won't have a bar of criticism. what's with all these "double, or sliding, standards"?
we americans like to bag the crap out of people who are clueless...like you. The race graphics had a workload distribution....it was equal.
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that was a very very scary crash.
What a crash. / Cycling pros are my hero figures. What a life that would be.? / Reason I am a wuss rider. Descents scare the hell out of me. Pros are not allowed to burn their brake pads. ?
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