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Old 07-08-08, 10:59 AM   #26
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I'm not sure if it's still the case, but rugby coaches used to sit in the stands.
It is still the case at top level. No rules against coaches being on the sidelines, but they can not come on the field. So not as strict as Tennis, but the spirit of trying to keep some of the decisions in hte players hands is still there.
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Old 07-08-08, 11:06 AM   #27
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It just seems to go a bit far these days. Getting split times to the break is one thing (motorbike with chalk board or the like), but having teams get second-to-second updates on what is going on in both the peleton and the break at the same time seems a bit much. For example:
  • Watching how the riders in breaks look and guiding the chase group's pace miles back based on whether they are cooperating or looking fatigued
  • Opposite is also true, using race radios to instantly direct break away's pace based on whether the chase is in hot pursuit or not
  • Team cars watching other teams' favorites' faces on TV and telling their guys to attack when they look tired (However, Lance flipped this and used it to his advantage once...)
  • Instantly assessing the contents of breaks and making deals with other teams via race radio on when to let the break go (takes the fun out of sneaking into breaks)
  • Physiologists in the team car giving instant corrections on from, etc. via radio (see Millar's car today)
  • Telling the riders exactly when a turn is approaching and what speed to hold through the turn

However, I must admit that it is cool that they can use the race radios to call the team back to a fallen leader in order to ride them back into the group. Along with domestiques fetching water, this is my personal favorite team aspect of professional cycling (now that team time trials have been deemed to be undesirable by organizers).
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Old 07-08-08, 11:07 AM   #28
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Lemond is a fervent proponent against using them. He's always said that he would not have won the tour in '89 if they were in use. He talked about how he wound up the pace towards the end to take more time from Fignon.

I would agree that winning breaks are less successful nowadays but not sure if that because of radios or because there are more sprinter's teams in the peloton.
Or just more teams period! And perhaps more depth in the Peleton. If the number 7,8 and 9 riders from 3 or 4 teams can chase down a break then teams can afford to do it more.

More teams also points out a magnified problem with doing away with radios. Bigger differences between how far back riders on different teams have to go back to talk to their team manager.

I think it is rather unfair to the riders/managers to let the television audience know more than they do. It makes them seem fools when they do not react to information they do not have. On that I'd propose somethign other than doing awauy with radios entirely, instead do away with 2 way conversations, but give riders race info feeds. Riders can find out who is on a break, but the rider in the Peleton either has to decide who is a threat or drop back to the team car if discussion is desired.
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More teams also points out a magnified problem with doing away with radios. Bigger differences between how far back riders on different teams have to go back to talk to their team manager.
Yeah, but think about how much more important team car position will be... getting penalized to the back will require your team to drop all the way back to get instructions and this decrease the team's ability to do so.
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I think it is rather unfair to the riders/managers to let the television audience know more than they do. It makes them seem fools when they do not react to information they do not have.
Unfair to whom? I believe that it would be much more suspenseful to watch... something like "Holy <bleep> Jens is in that break and they aren't reacting!!!!"
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Yeah, but think about how much more important team car position will be... getting penalized to the back will require your team to drop all the way back to get instructions and this decrease the team's ability to do so.
Yes, it is interesting how this could work out. It just might make teams more concerend with having a highly placed GC rider and could make for more exciting racing early on.
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Radio Question.

I know radios are here to stay and I think they should stay, but what would you think if they were set up as follow (Taken from my post on the 'Time bonus' thread).

I think it would be really really really interesting if each rider was given a radio with different channels, each channel for a language. The riders would be warned by the race organizers through translators and what not about dangers on the course, time gaps, etc. All the organizing for the chase and such would have to be done by the teams on their own without directors.

During TT's the radio would be between the rider and the team car.

I think that would be interesting. If the reason behind radios is to warn riders of dangers, then this would satisfy that need, while forcing the riders to think on their own, making it a rolling game of chess where the pawns are king.
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