Manuel Beltran tested positive after Saturday's stage
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He is on my Kenda team. :(
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http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tdf200...ory?id=3483087
Read that one. I don't trust the testing. It doesn't seem reliable to me, from what I've read. |
Hey, another former Postal Tour rider gets nabbed.
Who's turn is it next? Popo? |
Originally Posted by CyLowe97
(Post 7041298)
Hey, another former Postal Tour rider gets nabbed.
Who's turn is it next? Popo? I kid, I kid!....sorta. |
Originally Posted by rankin116
(Post 7041297)
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tdf200...ory?id=3483087
Read that one. I don't trust the testing. It doesn't seem reliable to me, from what I've read. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...-EPO-Study.php The urine test is the one that may not be reliable, and its important to note, that its mainly not reliable in detecting EPO when its known to be there. The blood test is a different story. |
Okay who had stage 7 in the pool?
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The EPO tests require a lot of interpretation; also, since EPO is now available as a generic, there are lots of variants out there. However, false negatives are a much bigger concern - and apparently more common - than false positives.
Beltran may well be innocent; as hard as it may be, hopefully everyone (including ASO) will wait for the "B" test until making a judgment, particularly if it involves bouncing the whole team. |
Originally Posted by GGDub
(Post 7041355)
It depends on whether it was detected in his blood or urine.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...-EPO-Study.php The urine test is the one that may not be reliable, and its important to note, that its mainly not reliable in detecting EPO when its known to be there. The blood test is a different story. |
Originally Posted by CyLowe97
(Post 7041298)
Hey, another former Postal Tour rider gets nabbed.
Who's turn is it next? Popo? |
At this point, if you get caught doping you're just an idiot.
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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
(Post 7041298)
Hey, another former Postal Tour rider gets nabbed.
Who's turn is it next? Popo?
Originally Posted by FixdGearHead
(Post 7041333)
Lance?
I kid, I kid!....sorta.
Originally Posted by Fat Boy
(Post 7041938)
At this point, if you get caught doping you're just an idiot.
Originally Posted by hos13
(Post 7041702)
Gives "Going Postal" a new meaning.
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Originally Posted by Fat Boy
(Post 7041938)
At this point, if you get caught doping you're just an idiot.
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Yet another one of Armstrong's boys. Add Beltran's name to the rest. Hamilton, Landis, Haras , **********?
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Beltran had very high Hct Values just prior to the start of the tour, so he was singled out for extra testing, and bingo!! liquigas is serious about racing clean, that why they hired ivan basso a few months ago
I was at work today, thinking " i wonder when the dope scandals will start?" and was going to post a thread to that... the french testers beat me to it... I have been out of the loop for a while but what i gather is that the UCI is not doing the testing, the french anti doping people are, correct? That will be beltrans and liquigas first excuse.. that the french have a vendetta against the spanish/italian etc... then they will say that the uci tests were better etc.. hahahaaa!! or maybe the Frenchies decided to start tossing guys out so they look like they are tough on dope, but no frenchies will be tested.. slick kinda what the belgians did several years ago on a TdF stage that finished in Antwerp. at the last minute the testing was done by flemish labs, and no belgians were tested that day, not even the Belgian Stage Winner Mark Wauters, who also took the Jersey that day.... hmmmm..... |
Originally Posted by Smoothie104
(Post 7043021)
Beltran had very high Hct Values just prior to the start of the tour, so he was singled out for extra testing, and bingo!! liquigas is serious about racing clean, that why they hired ivan basso a few months ago
I was at work today, thinking " i wonder when the dope scandals will start?" and was going to post a thread to that... the french testers beat me to it... I have been out of the loop for a while but what i gather is that the UCI is not doing the testing, the french anti doping people are, correct? That will be beltrans and liquigas first excuse.. that the french have a vendetta against the spanish/italian etc... then they will say that the uci tests were better etc.. hahahaaa!! Michael |
Of course Liquigas is serious about the fight against doping -- they're a cycling team.
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Originally Posted by Fat Boy
(Post 7041938)
At this point, if you are doping you're just an idiot.
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Don't teams understand that if they dope, sponsors will pull out? It's pretty simple.
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teams do understand that, but riders understand if they dont dope they will lose their job if they cant get results naturally.
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I may be in the minority but I was a little dissapointed to read on cyclingnews that Liquigas is going to stay in the tour, considering that Astana and Confidis getting the boot last year. It's always on the rider, but not the management. Liquigas seems to be in the doping spotlight more often recently, with the Di Luca issues last year, then they signed Basso and left the AIGCP a couple of months back, and now Beltran.
Sure, the anti doping mantra gets a little old after a while, but it's better than headlines like this, right? |
he IS tricky, no?
I for one would love to see everyones hematocrit level at the start of the tour. how many 50%ers do you think? |
From cyclingnews.com:
"While reports initially stated that should Beltrán's B sample come back positive, the team would be forced to withdraw from the race, the German television station ZDF received confirmation from the Amaury Sport Organistion (ASO) that the team could remain in the race. "The station also reported that the team will escape the 100,000 euro penalty which was part of the ASO's anti-doping contract signed by all teams prior to the Tour, because they removed Beltrán immediately after the positive A-sample. While I'm not nearly as critical of the testing and the French labs, this bothers me. While I realize false positives are rare, they can happen. But if a team has a rider with a positive A, it's quite clear that they do not have time to wait around for the B sample to be tested. |
Originally Posted by HigherGround
(Post 7041687)
According to Velo News, it appears that the urine test was used.
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Originally Posted by Dick Rhee
(Post 7044096)
I may be in the minority but I was a little dissapointed to read on cyclingnews that Liquigas is going to stay in the tour, considering that Astana and Confidis getting the boot last year. It's always on the rider, but not the management. Liquigas seems to be in the doping spotlight more often recently, with the Di Luca issues last year, then they signed Basso and left the AIGCP a couple of months back, and now Beltran.
Sure, the anti doping mantra gets a little old after a while, but it's better than headlines like this, right? |
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