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Old 07-14-08, 11:55 AM   #26
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I think best in a single place and time would be Bob Roll bringing Andy Hampsten his cold weather gear at the Gavia Pass in the '88 Giro. If only for the awesome narrative. Bob Roll can make any story fun if you enjoy his sense of humor, but he really does spin a fun yarn about an epically brutal stage.
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Re Stauffenberg -
Yes, I asked that way on purpose as I thought that might be the case. He soon saw the light and died fighting the good fight.
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Old 07-14-08, 12:17 PM   #28
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I remember him. But in the world of 99ers the 1930s never happened.

Oh and if people bother to look him up go farther then the Wiki article, it leaves out quite a bit.
so true, so true...
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Go ahead - you tell him to fix his brake levers!



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I can trump the lot of you. Eddy Schepers, circa 1987. Roche would not have won the Giro or the Tour without him.

How do I collect my prize?
You have to be joking. Usually you are spot on about cycling but Roche did that Tour pretty much on his own Stage 17 when he almost killed himself he was pretty much alone.

Ouch No prize for you.
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You have to be joking. Usually you are spot on about cycling but Roche did that Tour pretty much on his own Stage 17 when he almost killed himself he was pretty much alone.

Ouch No prize for you.
Fail.

Giro - Roche would have been farked without Schepers. And Schepers help at the Tour on the Villard de Lans stage and particularly the Morzine stage was invaluable.

Besides that, Roche was not alone. He must have got writers cramp signing cheques paying off the Fagor and Del Tongo boys after the Tour.

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Old 07-15-08, 08:34 AM   #32
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Claus von Stauffenberg.
Wow. I've never heard of this guy. But upon reading about him at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_S...n_Stauffenberg I'm really glad this question about your avatar was asked. I just learned about an amazing man.

Sorry for the off topic commentary....
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the shorts and the veinage are worse than the levers.
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Old 07-15-08, 05:01 PM   #34
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Wow. I've never heard of this guy. But upon reading about him at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_S...n_Stauffenberg I'm really glad this question about your avatar was asked. I just learned about an amazing man.

Sorry for the off topic commentary....
One of several. The wiki article you site is very good. One sad thnig is that to this day many believe that this was the only plot and late in the war. The earliest I know of was in '38. Fizzled because it was a plot to depose, not kill and it depended on things not going well for Germany. Things went better than even a madman could hope. BTW that plot had a plot within a plot. Hitler was to be captured by a comando group med by Major Heinz. Unknown to almost everyone was that Heinz and Hans Oster had decided that Hitler would tragically be caught in a crossfire.

See Hans Oster and Canaris. Number 1 and 2 men in the Abwer, German military intelegence and working against Hitler from early on.

Also Of interest. Bonhoeffer and Sack. A year ago I could have rattled off a half dozen more names.
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the shorts and the veinage are worse than the levers.
What do you mean?



It looks like he's about to have an alien life form spring out of there!
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Claus von Stauffenberg.
I was wondering if that photo is a profile due to his wounds? I know he was blinded in one eye and had serious injury to an arm.

What year was that pic taken?
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Sean Yates. At his last race all the top guys came up to him at the start and wished him well, Indurain is reputed to have said he'd wished Yates had ridden for him.
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Best DOmestique?

Vino for Ullirich or Ullrich for vino can't remember who the the GC for T mobile that year 85?
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Vino for Ullirich or Ullrich for vino can't remember who the the GC for T mobile that year 85?
85 was one of the LeMond / Hinault battles. Are you thinking perhaps of Ullrich for Riis in 96? Or Riis for Ullrich in 97?
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Thank you very much, end of thread.
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the greatest for the greatest:
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Re: greatest domestique

Yates is my man because of the lack of the strength of the team he rode with. By the time Big George came around, Motorola had improved their team significantly and George was less of a domestique and more of an on-road leader. And of course, I sure George learned much from his short stint riding with Yates.

BTW, after reading several comments regarding Hincapie's performance this year, for my money he's riding better than ever. He's handling his role of on road captain, and always seems to be where he's needed, be it in the lead out, or working on the hills.
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He was good, but there are about 6 people on the whole forum who would have any idea who he is.
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Alan Dipple? Looks like him

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Do you still qualify as a domestique when you have a palmares that good?
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Do you still qualify as a domestique when you have a palmares that good?
That does raise a quetion doesn't it? SDoes having put inthe work for someone else qualify you? Smoothie already mentioned Mig working for Delgado, which he did for several years and very well. You can get pretty high up the list of great riders and find that at least for a while they paid their dues.
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