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    TDF observations

    well as the race progresses.. i just noted something during yestedays stage 15 .. something that might be qute good actually.. and I wonder if anyone in here noticed.. those guys were actually suffering.. the attacks on the last climb yesterday....what I I am saying... is I didnt see the sort of devel blank stare.. we saw for many years.. the blank faced sort of stare that you could see on Ricco' when he rode the way he did over the hautacom. .. and the look on the face of Floyd a few years ago..(and Lance for several years)... and Rasmussn when he just slaughtered the all the greatest climbers ... in the world.. . .. ..
    I mean go back and watch Lance drop everyone on the Hautacom in 2000 and .. .(and everyother giant assault he hever rippedinto)... look at him.. I dont want to say ... he has devel eyes.. ... but.. there is no real pain there.. he is sweating. yadayada.. ..

    Yestedday it looked to me like a bike race..

    Its seems to me that when they race clean it looks more like a bike race.. .. I dont think Cadel.. and Danny Pate or the Schleck's.. or Christian Vande Veld..are Dopeing.. . and... all those guys looked like they were racing.. ...it.. made me get fired up.. about whats going on in this race this year... I thought it was a great stage..

    It was also interesting to me that when they ask a lot of those guys that raced for ..LA .. Popovich, Van De Velde,.. Hincappie.. .. .. Dave Zabriskie ... riders.. of the Columbia.. or Garmin .. non of those guys list Armstong as their ... .. idol.. or .. as someone the look up to.. in cycling..

    Illl shut up now.

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    It's hard to disagree. Oh well. The Lance Era is over, and it appears the doping is being controlled. That's a good thing.

    But frankly the Lance Era was more fun : ).

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    more fun, pcad? I was looking at a few TDF videos on Youtube last night, and it was pretty disgusting how some solo rider would simply ride away from a chasing peloton/group of fast riders.

    Good riddance to that.

    CSC is showing how to work as a team, and it's making for a great race.

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    uh spoiler alert? I, like, uh, you posted some TDF rider names in your post. How about warning us next time? How am I going to enjoy the rest day recap?

    Thanks, thanks a lot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    But frankly the Lance Era was more fun : ).
    incorrect.

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    I doubt using EPO makes you suffer less. Lemond's words regarding training would also apeear to apply to doping: it doesn't get easier you just get faster.
    You could fall off a cliff and die.
    You could get lost and die.
    You could hit a tree and die.
    OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.

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    I don't think it makes sense. Doping makes them faster, but they are still suffering.

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    er uhh..

    which came first the chicken or the ..brooks saddle..?? .


    when a person has more red blood cells.... they process oxegen through their luungs..more effeciently.. ie they are able to do more...exertion than they otherwise could.. this leads to the ability to ride harder.. past where the pain sensors in the electronics of their brain are revoltting to stop.. in other words they dont feel it... as much as someone.. who is not doping.. . they have a feeling of dominance.. (hence their... devil eyes)...

    the idea that dopers.. hurt just as much..as non dopers .. would meant that doping dosent.. work...which we all know it does... ..dopers go faster because they can process more oxygen.. (ie)..take more punishment before they hit their pain limit.. ...

    I think.

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    Finally a foolproof doping test - the merckxxx "devel" detector. You'd better let WADA know ASAP. I'm sure they'll be appreciative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merckxxx View Post
    when a person has more red blood cells.... they process oxegen through their luungs..more effeciently.. ie they are able to do more...exertion than they otherwise could.. this leads to the ability to ride harder.. past where the pain sensors in the electronics of their brain are revoltting to stop.. in other words they dont feel it... as much as someone.. who is not doping.. . they have a feeling of dominance.. (hence their... devil eyes)...
    think about what is causing pain signals to be sent to their brain and try again.

    Quote Originally Posted by merckxxx View Post
    the idea that dopers.. hurt just as much..as non dopers .. would meant that doping dosent.. work...which we all know it does... ..dopers go faster because they can process more oxygen.. (ie)..take more punishment before they hit their pain limit.. ...
    No it means dopers can go faster while hurting the same amount. You're memory seems to be the real problem here. There are plenty of images of riders who where doped to the gills looking like they were about to die. If your hypothesis is true than the mainly doping lead group on the climbs would have just moved faster but still hurt the same amount than the mostly clean group of today.

    Also I'm not a grammar nazi but your excessive use of ellipses seriously degrades the readability of your posting.

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    You guys are forgetting something. If a guy is doped up enough that he is _much_ better than the rest of the field, he can put out just a bit more power and accomplish his goals without even working at maximum.

    Case in point: Lance Armstrong on Luz Ardiden.

    1. Lance crashes
    2. Lance gets up and goes like a bat out of hell. Seriously, like twice the speed of some of these guys for a while.
    3. Gets ahead of everyone, then keeps a steady, high [doping] pace, but doesn't look like he's about to kill himself over it.

    I say most of the dopers hold back most of the time, saving themselves for if they actually have to make themselves hurt [at the top of a mountain or in a time trial].

    -bullseye

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseye View Post
    You guys are forgetting something. If a guy is doped up enough that he is _much_ better than the rest of the field, he can put out just a bit more power and accomplish his goals without even working at maximum.

    Case in point: Lance Armstrong on Luz Ardiden.

    1. Lance crashes
    2. Lance gets up and goes like a bat out of hell. Seriously, like twice the speed of some of these guys for a while.
    3. Gets ahead of everyone, then keeps a steady, high [doping] pace, but doesn't look like he's about to kill himself over it.

    I say most of the dopers hold back most of the time, saving themselves for if they actually have to make themselves hurt [at the top of a mountain or in a time trial].

    -bullseye
    Actually Lance went all out on Luz Ardiden. He was nervous after the crash and wanted to gain the maximum amount of time on Ullrich and Mayo. Still he only gained 40 seconds.

    I think Lance makes a bad example because he always looks not tired. Even at his worst when he bonked in a stage at 2000 he looks ok. I read somewhere that he doesn't show that he's hurtin to demoralize his rivals.

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    [QUOTE=dutret;7104020]think about what is causing pain signals to be sent to their brain and try again.



    Also I'm not a grammar nazi


    I am also not a docctor.. I just was making an observation and ...you go all doctor and nazi **** on me.. geeze.. the man (lance) had devil eyes.. and i stand behind that statement.. those guys yesterday raced.. their bicycles.. ...

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    when i race, i have this so called "devel" look in me eyes. i can't help it- it's just my style...

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    i'm not much of a roadie yet, but from my competition days in running... if i fell anywhere in a race, i found myself jumping up and full of endorphins and ended up running some of my best times.

    also, the more you you tense up your face, the more energy you waste. it's always best to keep a relaxed expression no matter how painful it is.

    not saying that someone isn't doping though... we've seen several of those guys this year already.
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    it is i think

    Quote Originally Posted by blaronn View Post
    Finally a foolproof doping test - the merckxxx "devel" detector. You'd better let WADA know ASAP. I'm sure they'll be appreciative.


    They can use my system.. when they need to.. I just require two VIP airfare.. and expences + 20% and i will give them complete rights to .. how to detect dopes.. using "devil eyes" continum..

    are they doping..?? they have devil eyes? answer yes..

    are they doping.. do not have devil eyes?? answer no.. ..
    fre to race any sanctioned event.. except in GA where.. you .. must prove that you hurt as much
    as non dopers before you can be disqualified.. from a GA event..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jared88 View Post
    Actually Lance went all out on Luz Ardiden. He was nervous after the crash and wanted to gain the maximum amount of time on Ullrich and Mayo. Still he only gained 40 seconds.

    I think Lance makes a bad example because he always looks not tired. Even at his worst when he bonked in a stage at 2000 he looks ok. I read somewhere that he doesn't show that he's hurtin to demoralize his rivals.
    Yeah, I think Luz Ardiden was as close to panic as I recall seeing in tour coverage of Armstrong.

    I like the comment yesterday from Vaughters about Pate, "he always looks like he's suffering. I don't think I've ever heard him say he feels good on the bike." So Pate always looks like he's suffering, others never appear to. So Armstrong is master of the Poker face, Pate is whatever the opposite of that is.

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    if you watched the giro last year or this year you would have saw the same things. Dudes stopping at the finish line and leaning over on the guard rails, riders walking up certain parts, etc

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    Steven Roch was like that also.. he didnt show.. effort.. he just floated.. on the pedals.. .

    (took a lot of drugs) but just floated on the pedals..

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    [QUOTE=merckxxx;7104440]
    Quote Originally Posted by dutret View Post
    think about what is causing pain signals to be sent to their brain and try again.



    Also I'm not a grammar nazi


    I am also not a docctor.. I just was making an observation and ...you go all doctor and nazi **** on me.. geeze.. the man (lance) had devil eyes.. and i stand behind that statement.. those guys yesterday raced.. their bicycles.. ...
    W...T..F... is..up..with all...the periods.. ..and.... .spaces
    Seriously I am not here to pick on spelling or grammar either but it makes your posts tough to understand and read.

    Pantani usually looked like he was about to die on his bike and he was doping. Would he have escaped your 'devel eye' doping control?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithuania View Post
    if you watched the giro last year or this year you would have saw the same things. Dudes stopping at the finish line and leaning over on the guard rails, riders walking up certain parts, etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jared88 View Post
    Actually Lance went all out on Luz Ardiden. He was nervous after the crash and wanted to gain the maximum amount of time on Ullrich and Mayo. Still he only gained 40 seconds.

    I think Lance makes a bad example because he always looks not tired. Even at his worst when he bonked in a stage at 2000 he looks ok. I read somewhere that he doesn't show that he's hurtin to demoralize his rivals.
    Lance seemed to master that aspect. I've often wondered if there might have been some stages where he was close to cracking, but no one tested and he got home fine. Good legit advantege to cultivate and he seems to have had this part down as well as anyone ever has.

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    I used to ride with a guy who raced professionally ... 1996 olympic time trials/ team Plymouth / Gotham Ghosts .... and

    Even if he was about to crack.... you could NEVER see it in his appearance, breathing etc....

    he said it is part of the Game

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    say what you will but Lance NEVER tested positive and Greg Lemond (though once great) turned into a FAT little whining ***** (cat name that sounds like wussy)

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    And whether Lance's team loved him or not, they were forged into one hell of a team. When they were on they absolutely dominated (which must mean they were all dopers). And it's just as exciting to watch CSC come together as a team (which again must mean they're all dopers).

    I've seen interviews where Lance said his ideal team would be a four Popoviches and four Hincapies. If he was a pain in their butts, he at least acknowledged their work for him. It's not like Lance kept Hincapie from winning a Classic or something. (For the record, I've never heard Hincapie diss Lance.)
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    The only thing I observed was in Stage 15 with around 1:55 on the finish clock someone drew a huge penis in the road.

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