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Old 07-27-08, 07:04 PM   #26
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It's not BS. ... And the 2.0T gets 27mpg highway, so it's not exactly a Hummer.

I'm not really even a Saab guy, but I find the general vitriol towards one of the main reasons you get to watch cycling on TV a little unfounded.
We have an 04 2.0t... pretty consistently 31-32mpg highway with 4 aboard @ 70mph with a/c on. One up with the air off, 35 is not hard to get and 40 is possible. It's a useful car - 100kg on the roof, 1000kg on the back, room for four, etc.

Had a booklet from them back in the 90's highlighting some of their practices which were pretty green for the industry - one of the first (if not the first) to phase out of R12 refrigerant and other similar things as well. So it isn't pure hype, in spite of the odious commercials.
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Old 07-28-08, 07:42 AM   #27
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At no point do they say "this car is green" or "it gets great mileage" or anything other than what it is.
That's the implication.

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I know now that I will never buy a Saab. They may be great autos, but I'll never know.

I didn't think I could be annoyed more than last year's "Born from Jets" bs, but I was OH SO wrong.

Recycle this, Saab.

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Yeah, that bloody ad made me want to blow my brains out. I guess the acronym for Saab is Sucks A** And Blows.

On another note, on my ride today I saw a Saab that had a "Visualize World Peace" sticker. Maybe it would be easier to visualize if it wasn't plastered on a car made by one of the worlds largest fighter jet manufacturers.

About as dumb as a "Sierra Club" sticker on a Hummer.
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Old 07-28-08, 11:20 AM   #29
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Saab Aerospace and Saab Automobiles split a while ago, and are unaffiliated beyond their name and origin.
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That's the implication.

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And that's the whole purpose of advertising - to imply. They're not claiming environmentally perfect, hybrid gas mileage, or anything else in that category.

Saab is attempting to position itself as a prime possibility for an upper middle class Yuppie or DINK, someone who cycles, is environmentally correct and active, still wants to balance his love of the planet with his desire for an entry level luxury car with a minimum of guilt. Saab does do the performance of a larger, gas hogging, carbon spewing six cylinder (see Mercedes, BMW, and Lexus) with a 2 liter four cylinder that's turbocharged.

No, it ain't no Prius or electric car. In it's class, however, it's definitely a more intelligent option. And no, it's not going to deliver 35+ mpg, it's too large, heavy and luxurious a car. For the next generation 9-3, GM is seriously considering downsizing one platform size, then make the 9-5 the size and weight of the current 9-3. Sounds good in my book.

And under that definition, it succeeds. There's nothing wrong with that ad - other than it being played too often on the FIRST day of the Tour, much less the following three weeks. Likewise, last year's "Born from Jets" campaign. It's as accurate as advertising goes, Saab did come out of an aircraft corporation. Once again, it was overrun on the first day, much less three weeks of it.

By the way, Saab has tied itself in with Garmin-Chipotle, and I think they're doing team cars for a couple of other cycling teams. They're certainly giving more support to cycling than Mercedes, BMW, Volvo etc.
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I love Saabs. My 9000 CS-Turbo was a great car, same with the '88 900S that was my first auto.

Saving up for a 9-5 Aero right now.

All you Saab haters can recycle my ass gas.
the 2 saabs I own have made me into a saab hater. unreliable, expensive to repair, poorly made. I cant believe that Saab is still in business.
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the 2 saabs I own have made me into a saab hater. unreliable, expensive to repair, poorly made. I cant believe that Saab is still in business.
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My dad had one, realy wanted to love it because of its raley roots but it was expensive and troublesome with poor shift ratios and a heavy clutch so he hated it and I did him a favor and wrote it of in an axident. To cover my ass he replaced it with another identical one. He hated it even more. He sure loved me though.
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I dunno, my buddy has a Viggen that's pretty fun to drive. I've never owned a Saab, but would have no qualms doing so.
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