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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Darwin View Post
    I am hoping to see Cadel do something special on the TT. If he does, he deserves the win. If not, then Sastre deserves it.

    From my recollection, Sastre basically did little in the tour worthy of a winner either other than the ride up the Alp de Huez (as amazing as it was) so how is he any more worthy of being the winner of the tour than Cadel? Especially if he were to have an extraordinary TT?

    Carlos had an amazing team supporting him and the Schlecks, and Cadel was basically on his own with CSC trying to hurt him up every climb in the mountains, while they were there to support Sastre and each other...

    If Sastre rides into Paris with a small lead over Evans, then who was really the better rider?

    It is a team sport, and I definitely won't begrudge Sastre the victory, and I know CSC will have the team victory, and they definitely deserve it. But I am hoping Evans can muster up something from deep down to at least make Sastre sweat.

    But, there is a part of me that wants to see Sastre do the best TT of his career and prove that he is the true champion.
    Dude...this is Bikeforums. You are asking too many logical, thought out questions.



    The "better rider" is the one that wins. The rest is commentary. Usually done by people that could never dream of doing this.

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    I dream of riding the tour. Literally. Had a crazy dream the other night. It was really hard. In my dream.

    Still don't like Cadel, though none of the top bunch this year are really dynamic personalities. I can respect Cadel, but he's tough to like unless you are an aussie or a wheel sucker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Darwin View Post
    I am hoping to see Cadel do something special on the TT. If he does, he deserves the win. If not, then Sastre deserves it.

    From my recollection, Sastre basically did little in the tour worthy of a winner either other than the ride up the Alp de Huez (as amazing as it was) so how is he any more worthy of being the winner of the tour than Cadel? Especially if he were to have an extraordinary TT?

    Carlos had an amazing team supporting him and the Schlecks, and Cadel was basically on his own with CSC trying to hurt him up every climb in the mountains, while they were there to support Sastre and each other...

    If Sastre rides into Paris with a small lead over Evans, then who was really the better rider?

    It is a team sport, and I definitely won't begrudge Sastre the victory, and I know CSC will have the team victory, and they definitely deserve it. But I am hoping Evans can muster up something from deep down to at least make Sastre sweat.
    Amen. Whether Cadel manages to pull it off or not, I personally think he has done remarkable things just to be in the position he is without a team like CSC behind him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bricktopmarv View Post
    Amen. Whether Cadel manages to pull it off or not, I personally think he has done remarkable things just to be in the position he is without a team like CSC behind him.
    exactly. nobody is talking about how sastre was sucking wheel from day one until the alp, are they? evans has fought the entire csc team by himself and still gotten into position to win the tour. i'm not a fan of his, but i think he deserves a lot of credit that he's not getting here. i can understand how some think he's a boring rider, or he has no panache. but he's on his own, and his goal is to win this race, not finish 14th with style
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoke View Post
    exactly. nobody was talking about how sastre was sucking wheel from day one until the alp, are they? evans has fought the entire csc team by himself and still gotten into position to win the tour. i'm not a fan of his, but i think he deserves a lot of credit that he's not getting here. i can understand how some think he's a boring rider, or he has no panache. but he's on his own, and his goal is to win this race, not finish 14th with style
    Agreed, especially with what I've bolded.

    I think there must be some anti-Cadel fans here who WOULD rather see him attack, attack - and fail to podium, than ride smart as he has, and potentially win the tour. I'd also hazard a guess that many of the anti-Cadel fans must have been big fans of riders like Vinokourov, who attacked with panache - but oftentimes, to the detriment of not only his own podium chances, but more importantly, to his team's chances of winning.

    Going off on a tear on numerous stages may be more entertaining, but is usually counter-productive to winning a tour, even for the strongest riders (unless you're a Pantani or Merckx or Hinault). It takes patience and strength to stay with the best on the toughest stages, and marshall your energy for when it HAS to be expended, especially when another whole team attacks and sets the pace, while you're riding alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake8 View Post
    I dream of riding the tour. Literally. Had a crazy dream the other night. It was really hard. In my dream.
    Still don't like Cadel, though none of the top bunch this year are really dynamic personalities. I can respect Cadel, but he's tough to like unless you are an aussie or a wheel sucker.
    We really don't want to know about your nocturnal activities thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen H View Post
    Agreed, especially with what I've bolded.

    I think there must be some anti-Cadel fans here who WOULD rather see him attack, attack - and fail to podium, than ride smart as he has, and potentially win the tour. I'd also hazard a guess that many of the anti-Cadel fans must have been big fans of riders like Vinokourov, who attacked with panache - but oftentimes, to the detriment of not only his own podium chances, but more importantly, to his team's chances of winning.

    Going off on a tear on numerous stages may be more entertaining, but is usually counter-productive to winning a tour, even for the strongest riders (unless you're a Pantani or Merckx or Hinault). It takes patience and strength to stay with the best on the toughest stages, and marshall your energy for when it HAS to be expended, especially when another whole team attacks and sets the pace, while you're riding alone.
    ...especially when those stages are playing to someone else's strengths and not yours
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    I fear Cadel may have reached too far into his reserves fighting CSC's tactics, to ride a "Tour winning" TT.

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    I guess I have to say that I like Cadel exactly for the reasons that many do not. He is not flashy, he not wild he just rides. I personally that we have yet to see his best in this Tour, or at least I hope so. And to be honest if a Belgian cannot win it it might as well be a Belgian team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevegor View Post
    I fear Cadel may have reached too far into his reserves fighting CSC's tactics, to ride a "Tour winning" TT.
    i don't think so. i think the fact that csc just let him ride today without pushing him allowed him to get rest both today and tomorrow and he's gonna be in fine shape for the TT. i was kinda surprised to see csc not try and get a few more seconds out of him at the end of today's stage. even if it didn't work, it would have meant they weren't giving him any time to rest and recuperate from the alps
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    CSC will have to really push the envelope today to wear Cadel down today. They cannot afford to let him start saturday without some pain and exhaustion. No wheel sucking on Saturday so we will see who the better rider is I guess. It would be cool to see Cadel pass some riders on the TT. Also a good thing there is no TTT again this year as Evans has no team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POTFH View Post
    CSC will have to really push the envelope today to wear Cadel down today. .

    And with only a cat4, and a Cat3 climb, and the last 30kdownhill or flat, just how do you propose they do that?
    You could fall off a cliff and die.
    You could get lost and die.
    You could hit a tree and die.
    OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam View Post
    Have fun rooting for Cadel.
    The winner!

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