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    I thought that this year's edition of Le Tour was fabulous.

    I did have a bit of trouble with the commentators for a number of reasons, most particularly their chronic anointing of the "next great generation of cycling." I guess this makes sense given they probably had at least two directives from Versus this year, one being the pay-by-play and commentary and the other to reinforce the "remaining good things in the sport." In the case of the latter, given the recent doping scenarios from years past, I guess this strategy makes sense; but I kept wanting to hear at least one of the commentators, with some degree of consistency, offer some semblance of a caveat that many of these outcomes might have been different this year given a couple of critical factors.

    Yes, Cavendish is a real bad @$$, but Boonen is still rather young. I assume (hope) that he finds his way and is able to come back as strong. No doubt it has the making of a great rivalry for years to come... but again, I think its a bit premature to hand over the proverbial torch to the sprinter from the "Isle of Man" just yet.

    I was impressed with Sastre and I don't want to depreciate his stunning Tour, but I cannot help but think that Contador (or to a lesser degree Levi) would have altered the outcome significantly. Given his performance (supposedly without much preparation) at the Giro d"Italia this year, its really difficult to conjecture that he wouldn't have been a monster with the season to prepare for the Tour.

    And while the Schleck brothers will certainly be a force, again Contador is rather young and could conceivably stifle the commentator's prophetical future for cycling. Much like Lance, I can really see a guy like Contador keep a whole generation of great riders "riding for second".

    All in all, a great race and I guess its trite of me to ponder the "what ifs". Also, I can be naive. Whatever, I enjoyed waking up every morning and turn the tube on for a couple of hours while I worked. July is Christmas for me.
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    i thought there was too much of Vaughters, but i don't really like him (team yes, but he just rubs me the wrong way seemingly a little too pompus and snobby)

    I liked both american teams doing well (I was worried they might just be tolken teams)

    Of the 4 commentators (VS) i didn't like the young guy, Bob Roll is ok to me

    I loved the great stages (esp in the mountains)

    Some one mentioned breakaways making it...i remeber the first stage that had a break away the commentators made a big deal about it like it never happens (because it normally doens't) then by the end it was just routine

    the Johan guy as a guest commentor was good, I liked his insight

    The distincly "pro-american teams" talk was to be expected i guess, but seriouly there were times where they were bashing the 3rd place guy and hearlding a Garmin guy that got 4th....like there is a different scale for the american team, like they are part of a ******** cyclist guild and we needed to stand and clap because by god look what that guy accomplished as an "american"

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    Cav was fabulous ... I truly enjoyed watching him every day that a bunch sprint seemed likely. I can't wait until next year when he's up against Boonen. I hope that McEwen can find a way to get team support - he's an exciting sprinter to watch in action. It's a big handicap not having that. I was surprised that he decided to stay with a team that wanted nothing to do with him. Ultimately, I found Cadel an uninspiring rider this year. Chavenel, Jens Voigt, Cancellara, and Stuart O'Grady were much more exciting to watch. And who could have predicted Schumacher's dominance in the ITTs? Great fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tio View Post
    All in all, a great race and I guess its trite of me to ponder the "what ifs".
    Best race since 2003. One of the better TDF's in the 33 years I've followed it.

    Could it have been a better race? I would have loved to see Cantador and Leipheimer in the mix on Stage 17.

    However, its possible that Cantador would have dominated the race, and it would not has been as suspensful.

    We'll never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HWS View Post
    Well, it ain't over til the doping tests are in.
    that's the one thing I'm a fearin'

    Overall I enjoyed it. It was definitely low key but That's okay imo. Only a few doping busts and Cavendish was exciting to watch, which was nice given Boonen's absence. No crazy attacks by Jens Voight, but maybe even more fun watching him put all his oomph right alongside Cancillara's, O'Grady's, et al.

    I kinda wish Ciolek and Zabel woulda got a stage each. McEwen too....but the old boys have had their days and Ciolek will certainly have more to come.
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    If I see another Saab commercial that says:

    "We recycle exhaust into energy" I think I'm going to go nuts. Next year I will have a standing sheet to check how many times they play certain commercials.

    Other than that, Le Tour was boring to me this year...

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    If there wasn't a TdeF you'd all be complaining even more!
    The worst tours ever? 1940 to 1944, there weren't any due to something called World War II (some of you may have read about it?) and 1914 to 1918 because of the 'war to end all war' (Yup, WW #1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tio View Post
    I was impressed with Sastre and I don't want to depreciate his stunning Tour, but I cannot help but think that Contador (or to a lesser degree Levi) would have altered the outcome significantly. Given his performance (supposedly without much preparation) at the Giro d"Italia this year, its really difficult to conjecture that he wouldn't have been a monster with the season to prepare for the Tour.
    I agree, but one thing that shouldn't be underestimated is just how great a tour Sastre had. According to VeloNews, it was the fifth fastest average in tour history, although this has to be mitigated by the individual tour routes and their difficulty, weather conditions, technological advances, etcetera... Still, Contador may have had his hands full too on this one.

    Overall Tour speed
    This year’s Tour was the fifth fastest in history, with an average speed of 40.5 kph.

    The top 11 fastest Tours
    41.654 kph: Lance Armstrong (2005)
    40.940 kph: Lance Armstrong (2003)
    40.784 kph: Oscar Pereiro (2006)
    40.553 kph: Lance Armstrong (2004)
    40.492 kph: Carlos Sastre (2008)
    40.276 kph: Lance Armstrong (1999)
    40.070 kph: Lance Armstrong (2001)
    39.983 kph: Marco Pantani (1998)
    39.920 kph: Lance Armstrong (2002)
    39.572 kph: Lance Armstrong (2000)
    39.504 kph: Miguel Indurain (1992)
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    I was there last year and saw it all up close.

    Sastre has paid his dues and he deserves it.

    Evans is a choke artist. A very good cyclist but a choke artist.

    CSC is a powerhouse FULL of talent that cannot be matched.

    Shumacher must have been practicing his TT in the offseason.

    That dude that ran off the road over the side of the road off the mountain gets the BAMF award.

    The "road furniture" was the highlight of the race for me. That SL2 in 3 pieces was epic.

    JV dropping the F-Bomb was classic. WHEN I see him in public I will remind him of it.

    I enjoyed it. I will watch it forever regardless.
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    I think it was a very good tour. OP might need a laxative.
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    being the 2nd tour i've watched(2005) and the first I actually watched almost every stage on I thought it was very entertaining especially stage 17 and then the time trail to decide.

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    Try visiting www.ricksride.org - great human interest story about TDF

    The french newspaper, LeParisien, followed an American cyclist who was riding solo in memory of a friend and as a fundraiser for disabled athletes. The rider, Jesse, completed the entire tour. One of the video links to the French paper is http://videos.leparisien.fr/video/iLyROoafYXAy.html
    There are several other news links listed on the website, www.ricksride.org

    The daily blogs are very well written. This rider gave the TDF a whole new humanitarian side and made the mundane parts of the official tour take a background place for me this year. Jesse is interested in making this a relay next year. Any interested riders out there???

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlefoot View Post
    All in all I think it's been a decent Tour, I've enjoyed watching the SlipStream(Garmin/chipolte) team who being a young team I think have made a pretty decent showing. It's unfortunate there really wasn't anyone to hang with CSC. Least I won't have to hear anymore Saab ads.

    Or rum ads! I swear I am hearing that song in my sleep. But overall a pretty good tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe View Post
    For those who wish to laud Mr Vansevenant's accomplishment this year, the WSJ has an article on him.... Apparently he does a good job as a domestique, it just isn't reflected by his finishing times.
    Yup. He does pacing, handles water bottles, and all the other stuff... then when his job is done, he just hangs back to save himself for the next day to do the same. The tour at one time I think started disqualifying the last place overall rider at the end of stages to discourage the attention the red jersey was getting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ_Kurt View Post
    Man, this race had zero personality. Never have I been so apathetic about an outcome.

    Evan's choking was a little bit of drama.

    Where the hell was David Millar? Did he die sometime in the middle of the race?

    Could the Schleck brothers be anymore boring than they presently are?

    Could Versus shove Vaughters any further down my throat?

    Was Chavaneul(sp?) in every break?

    Why invite B. Telecom?
    Why invite Agritubel?





    Did McEwen have his testicles removed in the off season?

    exactly what race did you watch? That was the best race I've seen since 2003

    7 different leaders, 6 men within a minute after the second rest day, 5 men with a real shot at the podium on the last day...

    what happened to Robbie was Mark Cavendish, did you not notice?

    maybe if we put in some explosions and car chases you would have liked it more?

    maybe you should stick to watching football. sounds more your speed.

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    I thoroughly enjoyed this Tour but it was missing some legitimacy without Astana. There was no way CSC could have bullied around the peloton with Astana there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZXiMan View Post
    If I see another Saab commercial that says:

    "We recycle exhaust into energy"...
    With the sound off it was beautifully filmed. The woman and man in the car weren't wearing wedding bands, so I think they were brother and sister.

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    I thought it was great and really enjoyed watching.

    Sure is a lot of whining on this board last two days. You guys whine this much when you race? If so, and if I do start racing I'm going to have to invest in some ear plugs...


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    Cycling throws the dopers out. Other sports put their dopers into the Hall of Fame.

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    That's 3 red jerseys in a row him isn't it? Yet teams keep hiring him to ride the tour... Must take talent to be able to finish dead last but yet ride fast enough not to get disqualified and make it into Paris.
    Ah, you don't understand what Vansevenant was doing, do you? Go read my posts in the Lanterne Rouge thread for a little cycle racing education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnKScott View Post
    I thought it was great and really enjoyed watching.

    Sure is a lot of whining on this board last two days. You guys whine this much when you race? If so, and if I do start racing I'm going to have to invest in some ear plugs...

    Whining on the web is very commonplace, and actually encouraged. When you're semi-anonymous, you can get away with more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    The stage up L'Alpe was fantastic.

    CSC put on a clinic on team tactics.

    The race was in doubt until the last half of the final TT

    A new dominant sprinter was corrinated.

    Yeah the tour sucked.
    It was not won by an american. An american sponsored team showed a good sprinter, but he was a Brit, not an American.

    The Tour sucked.

    Oh and just how many different riders wore yellow? Very close to the most ever.

    But The Tour sucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zonatandem View Post
    If there wasn't a TdeF you'd all be complaining even more!
    The worst tours ever? 1940 to 1944, there weren't any due to something called World War II (some of you may have read about it?) and 1914 to 1918 because of the 'war to end all war' (Yup, WW #1.
    Qwityerbellyachin already!
    The TDF was not run from 1940 to 1946. The 47 Tour was missing far more when it comes to riders than this years tour by a mile as it excluded the top 2 riders in the world at the time, 2 riders that almost always make the top 5 of all time.

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    I watched it every day and enjoyed it. The continuity of the "yellow jersey peloton" was monotonous, but it may be the way things will be in a drug-free tour.

    What I admired the most was Sastre won it with huge nads on the L'Alpe and then kept it by doing what they said he couldn't - nailing the time trial. Here's to hoping his tests all come back negative, if so - he's my new hero.

    As far as the commercials - I wore out my "mute" button. Between that dumb-assed rum dance and those annoying ****** in the Saab, I was ready to shoot myself.

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    I really enjoyed watching the Tour this year. It was exciting until the end, which is a nice break from earlier Tours, especially those featuring Lance. That got a bit old after a while. This year's Tour when through some of my favorite parts of France, and there was a good variety of stage winners and personalities. The coverage was pretty good, too. I'm looking forward to the Vuelta.

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