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Old 07-30-08, 07:44 AM   #1
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Ricco admits he did the deed

http://tour-de-france.velonews.com/article/81064/

I'm sure no one is surprised...I'm not.
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Old 07-30-08, 08:04 AM   #2
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I'm a little surprised he admitted it with pending criminal charges in France.

At his age, however, it may be a rational decision to do the mea culpa, beg for mercy, and get the clock running on the suspension.
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Off with his head.

'American beef' in Mexico?
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Old 07-30-08, 09:40 AM   #4
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"During the Tour they took a lot of samples (from me), they made 10 tests in about 13 stages, two were positive and in fact in theory all the tests should have been positive therefore the method needs to be checked," he said.

so the tests are flawed, piepoli got away with a stage win, how many others were able to get away with it. and i'm still baffled by cadel's great recovery on stage 10 after the supposed horrific crash in stage 9. it really is the tour de farce.
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"During the Tour they took a lot of samples (from me), they made 10 tests in about 13 stages, two were positive and in fact in theory all the tests should have been positive therefore the method needs to be checked," he said.

so the tests are flawed, piepoli got away with a stage win, how many others were able to get away with it. and i'm still baffled by cadel's great recovery on stage 10 after the supposed horrific crash in stage 9. it really is the tour de farce.
How many different threads are you going to post this same BS in? False negatives happen.
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Old 07-30-08, 11:03 AM   #6
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Probability of detection and false alarm rate are inexorably linked.

The way to reduce the number of false negatives is to increase the number of false positives. Do we really want that, though??
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I'm a little surprised he admitted it with pending criminal charges in France.

At his age, however, it may be a rational decision to do the mea culpa, beg for mercy, and get the clock running on the suspension.
+1

Cooperating with the authorities fully means no jail time and a faster end to his suspension. He'll have to reveal his source for the CERA.

I'd like to see the people supplying the drugs get busted with jail time and fines. How hard would it be to audit where every bottle of epo, mircera, etc. goes? Some doctor in BFE dispensing 10,000 times more epo than any other doctor would have some 'splainin' to do.
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Off with his head.

'American beef' in Mexico?
America comprises two entire continents and an isthmus, you know.
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America comprises two entire continents and an isthmus, you know.
American Beef?

Thanks we already have a know-it-all, and roller blading is incorrect, it's technically in-line skating.

So if something that is american can come from anywhere in North or South America, how would you say something or someone is from the USA?
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America comprises two entire continents and an isthmus, you know.
When you say America...people arent thinking Uruguay. Like when you say, "Hey I'm going to New York for a week" people dont think you're going to Ithica. You're going to the city. We were and still are (at least for awhile) a global superpower so claiming status is just a fringe benefit. Until Uruguay becomes a superpower.
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Yeah his career is done. He will do his best to drag the bad processing and handling of samples into it and basically try to at least throw a lot of doubt into the test results. He basically said he was doping through the whole thing. It sucks but hopefully we will see improvements on the testing and sample handling process.
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Yeah his career is done. He will do his best to drag the bad processing and handling of samples into it and basically try to at least throw a lot of doubt into the test results. He basically said he was doping through the whole thing. It sucks but hopefully we will see improvements on the testing and sample handling process.
You're talking about Landis right?
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Question is... what's going to happen with his 'naturally high hematocrit' certificate issued by the UCI...
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Yeah his career is done.
Ricco is 24 years old. He'll get a two year ban. He can ride for a Continental team for the next 2 years and be back in the TDF at 28.
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He gave the typical "just one little mistake" explanation, that dopers give when they're faced with insurmountable evidence against them. Saying that the only time they doped was when they got caught...
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He gave the typical "just one little mistake" explanation, that dopers give when they're faced with insurmountable evidence against them. Saying that the only time they doped was when they got caught...
Actually most don't admit it.

Hamilton, Landis, Ullrich, Rasmussen, Vino and Kashiken come to mind
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He gave the typical "just one little mistake" explanation, that dopers give when they're faced with insurmountable evidence against them. Saying that the only time they doped was when they got caught...
that may be true, but i'm relieved not to see him deny deny deny and make up idiotic excuses like so many others. just be out with it, admit wrongdoing, and face the music.
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Ricco is 24 years old. He'll get a two year ban. He can ride for a Continental team for the next 2 years and be back in the TDF at 28.
Could only be 2 years, as there will be no pro-tour teams any more.

Or, could be much longer, as it seems ASO can now exclude him for as long as they want, without even having to tell him for how long he will be excluded.

Or, he may do jail time and never be able to sit on a bicycle seat again.
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I'm surprised he admitted it, but glad he did.
FWIW, German news uses the formula US-Amerikaner to denote Americans from the United States as opposed to Americans from Uruguay, one time soccer superpower.
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He gave the typical "just one little mistake" explanation, that dopers give when they're faced with insurmountable evidence against them. Saying that the only time they doped was when they got caught...
Of most of the doping cases to come up recently his probably had the most debatable scientific basis since its a new test for a new drug. The ones who debate foreign blood transfusions (Vino, Hamilton) just look like idiots since its so cut and dry to have another person's blood in your body.

He's owned up quicker than 95% of the other riders to get caught, and for that he's starting to get a smidgen of my respect. And he raises a good point that he should have been caught sooner if the test was a solid as it should be, but he's declining to contest the result anyway.
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I'm surprised he admitted it, but glad he did.
FWIW, German news uses the formula US-Amerikaner to denote Americans from the United States as opposed to Americans from Uruguay, one time soccer superpower.
yes, but German news also devotes a weekly segment to David Hasselhoff career updates
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Could only be 2 years, as there will be no pro-tour teams any more.

Or, could be much longer, as it seems ASO can now exclude him for as long as they want, without even having to tell him for how long he will be excluded.

Or, he may do jail time and never be able to sit on a bicycle seat again.
You're right, maybe they'll institute the death penalty.

Did he MURDER?

Or are terrible things going to happen near his ah-noose to him during his stay?
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Or, could be much longer, as it seems ASO can now exclude him for as long as they want, without even having to tell him for how long he will be excluded.
I like that. Two years is not enough.

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Or, he may do jail time and never be able to sit on a bicycle seat again.
Even better.
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Could only be 2 years, as there will be no pro-tour teams any more.

Or, could be much longer, as it seems ASO can now exclude him for as long as they want, without even having to tell him for how long he will be excluded.

Or, he may do jail time and never be able to sit on a bicycle seat again.
Athletes subjected to do jail time because of ped's,!?

This is one of the most RIDICULOUS, ignorant, idiotic,
time and money wasting objectives of police and governmental agencies ever pursued.

Un-f**king believable to think it happens (The jack-o** judge who sentenced Marion Jones to six months should be thrown off the bench) How insane to put a track and field star in jail for using ped's. What a HUGE waste of tax payer money)
For what? Oh we're going to teach her a lesson and set an example...

are you f**king kidding? What a bunch moronic a-holes we have running our
governments. It's not like we have anything more pressing and worrisome to
take care of around the world and here in the U.S. no...Phhht.
What middle east crisis? What energy crisis? What famine? What?
That's all fodder...the real issues are athletes doping! Yea.


It's part scare tactics of course, but to have that card to play by irresponsible,
ego driven, maniacal governments and authorities is so completely out of control.

For F**K's SAKES! It's just sports people-
It's only games, and we are talking jail time???!!! F**king Insanity.
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