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    Giro - Stage 12 61.7 km, Sestri Levante → Riomaggiore TT, Thursday, May 21

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    this one will really shake up the gc. at this point, gotta go with levi, basso or bruseghin for the win here.

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    I've driven over the Passo del Bracco climb and down the descent into Levanto. It's a tricky descent, especially the last couple of kilometres. Poggio-esque. I guarantee crashes if it is raining. Don't be surprised if the big hitters leave the TT bikes in the truck and roll out on road bikes with clip on tt bars.

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    this undulating tt is all fine and dandy but when is zomegnan going to add a mountain descent time trial?
    he seems to have that perfect combo of insanity and disdain for the riders well-being (long transfers,
    questionable finishing circuits, et al.). something with some highly technical sections and with some flat-out straightaways-maybe 15-25 kms. where's paolo salvodelli when you need him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooga-booga View Post
    this undulating tt is all fine and dandy but when is zomegnan going to add a mountain descent time trial?
    he seems to have that perfect combo of insanity and disdain for the riders well-being (long transfers,
    questionable finishing circuits, et al.). something with some highly technical sections and with some flat-out straightaways-maybe 15-25 kms. where's paolo salvodelli when you need him?
    It's been done before.

    The 1987 Giro included a time trial from the top of the poggio into Sanremo.

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    don't get me wrong; the poggio & cipressa are nice technical descents but i was thinking of something a little higher up where the air is thinner-the apennines or dolomites.

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    Di luca will not relinquish the jersey easily but it's hard to bet against Rogers & Levi. I think one of them will take the jersey.

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    this is di luca's number one goal for the season and realistically, how many of the other gc riders within
    5 minutes of the maglia rosa can say the same? menchov? sastre? rogers? basso? out of the realistic
    current contenders levi, simoni, cunego, bruseghin & di luca may be the only ones in peak form and/or
    have the giro as their main goal. an argument can be made against virtually any of the others that the tour
    de france is their primary objective and will factor into how far into their reserves (and the race) they
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    Wow, Lance picked up 2+ mins and Levi pick up up 1:20. Really did not think Di Luca would give up this much time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ooga-booga View Post
    this is di luca's number one goal for the season and realistically, how many of the other gc riders within
    5 minutes of the maglia rosa can say the same? menchov? sastre? rogers? basso? out of the realistic
    current contenders levi, simoni, cunego, bruseghin & di luca may be the only ones in peak form and/or
    have the giro as their main goal. an argument can be made against virtually any of the others that the tour
    de france is their primary objective and will factor into how far into their reserves (and the race) they
    actually go.
    Reportedly, Basso's been claiming the Giro is his goal, and he won't be riding the Tour. He sure looks nothing like how he did three years ago. DiLuca will get his clock cleaned on Blockhouse - question is, by whom?
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    menchov & leipheimer play the same wait & watch tactical game. if basso has any semblance of his "extraterrestrial" form of 2006, he's been hiding it. sastre, pellizotti & simoni are the three most aggressive riders at the top end of the gc. i think one or all is/are potentially game to rock stages 16/17/19 and take it to di luca. unfortunately, basso/menchov/leipheimer are probably gonna mark
    each other which plays into di luca's hands. he's proven to be remarkably resilient in the mountains the last couple of giros and will likely still be hanging around. Given his climbing ability is above average and the lack of killer instinct on behalf of the others involved, di luca will remain in the mix-barring injury/
    crash/direct lightning strike/et al.

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    Someone's going to take it to him on stage 17 or 19. Won't be Menchov though, as he'll be riding defensively - though without a lot of support. I can See Astana trying something to put Menchov and DiLuca under pressure. Popo is close enough that sending him on a break would require a reaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USAZorro View Post
    Reportedly, Basso's been claiming the Giro is his goal, and he won't be riding the Tour. He sure looks nothing like how he did three years ago. DiLuca will get his clock cleaned on Blockhouse - question is, by whom?
    It's odd to me that someone coming off a doping suspension would be expected to perform up to the same level that he did before the suspension. I actually think he looks fantastic. He looks better than Armstrong, basically coming off the same time off. You can't really expect someone who's been off for two or three years to just jump in where he left off.

    We'll see about The Killer. "Not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog". DiLuca certainly has the "eye of the tiger".

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    I think you're right about Basso, and I think Lance is where he is as much because of the shoulder as anything else. I also think he's not going full bore. He's a proven climber and I think he's serious about using this race as training the same way tiger woods uses every other tournament for the majors. Nothing matters but the TdF to Lance, and so he's going to ride for Levi but not go all out until close to the end of this race.

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    Lance took a mussette during the TT which seemed a strange move maybe he thought it would reduce the risk of dropping the bottle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GV27 View Post
    It's odd to me that someone coming off a doping suspension would be expected to perform up to the same level that he did before the suspension. I actually think he looks fantastic. He looks better than Armstrong, basically coming off the same time off. You can't really expect someone who's been off for two or three years to just jump in where he left off.

    We'll see about The Killer. "Not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog". DiLuca certainly has the "eye of the tiger".

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    Armstrong wasn't training seriously the entire three years he was off - plus he's a few years older. Basso? He was only off for two, and I would think that - even if he wasn't allowed to train with a team, he certainly had no reason not to train seriously through that period. Seems pretty evident now (if it wasn't before), that Ivan resorted to extraordinary means to dominate in 2006. Only time will tell, but I think we'll never again see the Ivan Basso who just rode away from everyone at will on any mountain stage he desired to.
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    The commentators on U.Sports can be very annoying at times saying Di Luca got crushed today. Anyone with an ounce of cycling smarts knew he was going to lose time to guys like Menchov & Levi...Rogers was a big disapointment. Di luca is only 40 seconds off the lead and I think that was a respectful ride.

    Today really showed who has it to win the Giro. I believe it's really down to Menchov & Levi. They both have exceptional form and will have to tip levi only because he has a far superior team. Basso was a little disappointing but has an outside chance along with Pellizotti. I think Astana will come into their own on the critical stages and will nullify any one two punch Liquigas may try.

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    Astana is definitely going to be fun to watch- I'm not sure if Johann will try the old "postal Train" strategy in this situation though. Levi doesn't strike me as the kind of predatory rider who would benefit from the setup. A train could just pull Menchov and DiLuca up the climbs. Astana might try to join every escape (in stages 16& 17) with LA or Popo to force Lampre, Rabo and Liquigas to respond. Either way...I Can't wait!

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    As I was watching the TT, I was wondering at what percentage heart rate these guys are going, especially with a 61km TT stage.
    Does anyone know what there HR target is?
    How do they manage the lactate?
    And manage to not blow their engine? or do they and then recover?

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    might be a dumb question, but why was there only a few riders with actual TT bikes, while the others were on their road bikes with aerobars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmw5nkj View Post
    might be a dumb question, but why was there only a few riders with actual TT bikes, while the others were on their road bikes with aerobars?
    The course was too difficult and/or dangerous for most riders to use TT bikes.

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    TT bikes

    Menchov showed yesterday the downside of TT bikes, to fall off while riding in a straight line is a neat trick

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenjersey View Post
    Menchov showed yesterday the downside of TT bikes, to fall off while riding in a straight line is a neat trick
    Heh.... Well, I have to say I don't think he crashed because he was on a TT bike, he crashed because he was riding on a wet surface (cobbles iirc). If he crashed in a turn, then you could blame it on the bike and/or rider's handling skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe View Post
    Heh.... Well, I have to say I don't think he crashed because he was on a TT bike, he crashed because he was riding on a wet surface (cobbles iirc). If he crashed in a turn, then you could blame it on the bike and/or rider's handling skills.
    If it was only down to the wet cobbles i wonder why there are not more crashes in Paris-Roubaix and Tour of Flanders. Even in those races it is exceptional to skid off in a straight line.

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