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    The Tour of Cali in May?!

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...y09/may06news2

    Talk me off the roof please! This last year was my second year attending the Tour of Cali. Friends and I have made it something of a traditions. Happily its mid-February date seems perfect to me. Early enough in the season that ProTour teams feel comfortable making the trip. I doesn't really interfere with any other races. Now they seem to be about the make the leap to May. If memory serves, there is this other little Italian race during that month. I think this is a really bad idea. In that CN article I think I disagree with nearly every statement made by the ToC organisers. Particluarly, "There was just no appetite to stay a February race." 50% of the aforementioned friends that join me on my trips to ToC are non-cyclist who are just getting interested over the last two years, not the opposite.

    I have taken the liberty of including the top ten on the GC of two indicator races. One is the probably biggest domestic race during that time slot the Mt. Hood Classic.

    1 Rory Sutherland (Aus) Health Net/Maxis 11.25.22
    2 Darren Lill (RSA) BMC Pro Cycling Team
    3 Benjamin Jacques-Maynes (USA) Bissell Pro Cycling Team
    4 Edward King (USA) Bissell Pro Cycling Team
    5 Michael Creed (USA) Rock Racing
    6 Bradley White (USA) Successful Living.com P/B Parkpre
    7 Phil Zajicek (USA) Health Net/Maxis
    8 Andrew Bajadali (USA) Kelly Benefit Strategies/Medifast
    9 Caleb Manion (Aus) Toyota-United
    10 Michael Grabinger (USA) Successful Living.com P/B Parkpre

    Not exactly the kind of name recognition that will bring the fans from near and far. Okay next up, is the Volta a Catalunya. This is a ProTour event that goes up against the Giro, and has the advantage of being on the same continent.

    1 Gustavo Cesar Veloso (Spa) Karpin Galicia 24.29.22
    2 Rigoberto Uran (Col) Caisse d'Epargne 0.16
    3 Rémi Pauriol (Fra) Crédit Agricole 0.21
    4 Josep Jufre Pou (Spa) Saunier Duval - Scott
    5 Daniel Navarro Garcia (Spa) Astana 0.23
    6 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 0.28
    7 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Astana 0.29
    8 Pierrick Fédrigo (Fra) Bouygues Telecom 0.31
    9 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Team High Road 0.34
    10 Gorka Verdugo Markotegi (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi

    This is getting a little better but still seems substantially depleted of star power. My vote (should it come to that ) is for the ToC to stay exactly where it is, a high profile, usually star-studded, early season tune up.

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    Well, if the little Italian race is going to piss people off by demanding TDF rates for it's broadcast rights, and we aren't going to be able to watch it anyway... It's intriguing in that the move to May would open up some opportunity to have stages climb in the High Sierras (granted they could still have heavy snow there in May too).

    We'll see how this plays out.
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    I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the "appetite" may have referred to the teams.

    Mt Hood is only 2 days long -- not really worth the effort for a Continental team to fly all the way out to the US.

    I may have the calendar wrong, but I believe the Volta a Catalunya is later. It may be too close to the Dauphiné to draw the big guns.

    I don't know if ToC in May will work, but it's way too early to assume that all the teams will abandon the race.

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    The big problem with the Feb dates was the exclusion of many of the mountain stages the organizers wanted to include because of the weather/road conditions/closures. I wouldn't mind seeing them go through a desert stage. But having the ToC in May is a major gamble and with the European season in full swing, how many big teams/names will be in the race to attract the crowds?

    Oh well...if they have public and political support plus enough sponsors and TV coverage to pay the bills and make a profit, then the ToC will continue to be a success and possibly expand a few more days or a week. Don't they have a partnership with the TdF?

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    i suspect it may become another tour de france training race-but what isn't-like romandie,
    dauphine, the old midi-libere et al. the pro tour teams are diverse enough and some riders
    may actually prefer california in may which is usually more hospitable (less rain & snow)
    vs the giro which can have plenty of both. the giro is my favorite race but the who's training/
    who's actually gonna race thing gets old. might actually find many racers more interested going
    hard for ten days instead of for twenty. at the least, it will free up some of the mountain
    stages/finishes that are a pipe dream in february. east side sierras anyone?

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    I had to think about it for a few moments. It's a bold and risky move. IF the money if solid to ensure a world-class organization of the event, they're throwing down the gauntlet for the Giro. Just because an event is established don't mean that it's a lock. Many of the ProTour teams may prefer California for reasons mentioned above plus a few others. This should be very interesting!


    So let's see: The infamous and deadly Death Valley stage where most of the peleton wears umbrella helmets, zinc oxide, and quick-change camelbacks...
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    it is a pretty gutsy move and aeg must be feelin' it with the aso association in their back pocket
    to take on the giro. loved the race in february but, let's face it, the cali weather (especially in
    the bay area) in february isn't always the best. this move frees up a lot more real estate for
    stages; only eliminating the deserts. did you really see them going through death valley np,
    anza-borrego sp or joshua tree np? okay, maybe palm springs but that's it. notta lotta tifosi
    in them there parts. this year would seem to be the exception participation-wise; many giros
    are usually missing a host of big names that are doing smaller races. possibly, some of those
    would attend toc. even if it ends up being a largely domestic affair as the toc was the first
    couple years, the domestic teams have shown themselves capable of animating the race.
    may take 2-4 years but methinks the toc could eventually be the tune-up race for july.
    as for all the "what about the italians?" hoopla...who knows...but this year we coulda gotten
    the italian champ simeoni as the token italian
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    May really isn't that late for the deserts. Maybe dip down into Death Valley in the middle of a high stage. Lots of options. I kinda like the idea of starting out by Mono Lake or Bristlecone and climbing up into Yosemite from the East! That would be a memorable stage!
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    yeah DMF, would love to see them start around mono lake, detour around june lake, down to big pine and loop back around over westgard pass (bristlecone area)@ 7200 ft into nevada then over montgomery pass @7100 ft and finish up in mammoth @ 7000 ft +. or...just head down the 395 to finish up the giant switchbacks at horseshoe meadows (10,000 ft) above lone pine. if included, i think horseshoe would be the highest finish used in any of the current uci stage races. the owens valley has so many great climbs but not all of them have the space at the end of the road to host a finish. onion valley, whitney portal, south lake (among others) fall into this category.
    the climb up the east side of tioga pass (9900 ft +) into yosemite is epic but i think memorial day is usually about the time that pass opens from snowmelt/snowplow-might be too late. a stage along the length of the 120 thru yosemite from either direction finishing anywhere would be epic and a must see however.
    would enjoy seeing the boys rolling thru death valley which has some pretty stiff climbs too but it would necessitate a really early start to beat some of the heat. plus, we might be the only spectators out there. if they do it, i'll bring the beer

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    I don't see how the May ToC would go "head to head" with the Giro. The Giro is a 3 week commitment, and not many riders are willing to do both the Giro and the Tour de France. Ergo, the new ToC dates make it an option for riders and teams looking for something more than 1-2 days, but won't screw up their TdF training /fitness schedule.

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    I suspect the "appetite" issue lies with the CA tourism people as well. Much better showcase for the state in May rather than the rainy season.

    I wonder if the riders finishing the classics season will really want to make the trip--and what about our teams like Columbia and Garmin? Won't they be most likely sending their stronger riders to Italy? Yes, the GC riders usually pick one or the other, but the sprinters and best domestiques, not so much, or so it seems to me in my short career of following the protour.

    If the ToC gets Protour status, by the way, what does that mean for the participation of our continental teams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ooga-booga View Post
    ... the climb up the east side of tioga pass (9900 ft +) into yosemite is epic but i think memorial day is usually about the time that pass opens from snowmelt/snowplow-might be too late. ...
    I vividly recall a very disappointed vacation we spent at June Lake in early May. We had planned to visit Yosemite.

    Had I only known. We could look out our window and see Yosemite, but because of the closures, it would have been a 4+ hour drive to get into the Park. Yes. Memorial Day is when it opens - although, the TOC might be able to pull some strings - if the weather were to cooperate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMF View Post
    May really isn't that late for the deserts. Maybe dip down into Death Valley in the middle of a high stage. Lots of options. I kinda like the idea of starting out by Mono Lake or Bristlecone and climbing up into Yosemite from the East! That would be a memorable stage!
    may is way too late for the deserts. it's 108-110+ all next week in death valley. having people race in those conditions is irresponsible.

    depending on how unlucky the weather is, may is starting to get pretty hot in the Central Valley too. highs around 85-95, with some days hitting over 100.

    it's beautiful every where else in the state, but april/may is when it can start getting unpleasant here in the valley.

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    so USAZorro, did you ever make it to yosemite? if you didn't, you should. like all of the world's
    most beautiful places, pictures (even professional ones) don't do it justice. weekend/summer traffic
    sux though...the week after labor day is a great time to visit. june lake isn't a bad consolation prize but it's much more beautiful in late september/october when the aspens are "out."

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    Yosemite is amazing. Everyone knows the Valley, but I think my favorite spot is the picnic site lower down in the redwood groves.

    I'm sure you're right about the opening date for the east entrance. I'd forgotten that the snow comes surprisingly early, though I shouldn't have. My Volvo 142 was the last car over Tioga Pass in (2nd week?) October 1980 before it was buried for the winter. It was night and snowing like crazy. The higher I got the deeper the snow got. There was no one else on the road - no tracks at all. I probably shouldn't have tried it, but I made it. That was a great car.
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    yeah DMF, the valley has so many iconic features that it's easy to overlook the other 90% of the park.
    speaking of the redwood groves in the southwest corner of the park (by the exit to hwy 41), there
    was a fire down there in the last couple of years. haven't been to that part lately but i hope for the best.
    personally, i gotta go for the southeast side where it's high and crowd free. tuolumne meadows is always a
    beautiful start to any adventure. cool tioga pass story. if you were descending towards lee vining, that
    musta been super-sketchy.

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