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Old 06-21-09, 10:45 PM   #1
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Nevada City? Spoiler!

Armstrong FTW....he is looking pretty lean in the velonews photos. I predict he'll finish top 10 at the TDF with a stage win.
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Worse than that, he won it. He and Leipheimer lapped other groups more than once.
LA, LL, and CH should not have been there.
Give other guys who aren't going to the TDF a chance to win something.
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So LA proves he can beat up on amateurs.
Greg Lemond won it as a junior, now Lance has to prove something as an old man.
Could be the last race he will ever win.
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So LA proves he can beat up on amateurs.
Greg Lemond won it as a junior, now Lance has to prove something as an old man.
Could be the last race he will ever win.
Yup. and like Greg Lemond said, LA has no conscience.
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I read somewhere that the race organizers invited Lance to get more publicity. It's not surprising that he won. Riding against mostly slower cat 1 and 2 racers. But I wonder if it means he is stronger than Levi right now.
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Worse than that, he won it. He and Leipheimer lapped other groups more than once.
LA, LL, and CH should not have been there.
Give other guys who aren't going to the TDF a chance to win something.
Who do you think would have won if LA and crew hadn't showed up? Probably BJM - would have been a nice line on his resume but I doubt he holds a Lance grudge over this. I'm sure the other 120 or so P12's enjoyed the experience. The race organizers were certainly happy about it.
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Who do you think would have won if LA and crew hadn't showed up? Probably BJM - would have been a nice line on his resume but I doubt he holds a Lance grudge over this. I'm sure the other 120 or so P12's enjoyed the experience. The race organizers were certainly happy about it.
So you've spoken to BJM and all the other riders?
And they all agree with you?
Well then, I guess that settles it.

Seriously, the race organizers are not the ones out there spinning their butts off to try to get a podium finish.
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Seriously, the race organizers are not the ones out there spinning their butts off to try to get a podium finish.
It was a P12 race - do you really think there are any riders who are pissed off because the competition was too tough? It's not like these guys are sandbagging to not cat-up before Districts.
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It was a P12 race - do you really think there are any riders who are pissed off because the competition was too tough? It's not like these guys are sandbagging to not cat-up before Districts.
Did you speak to them too? Did they say that they trained really hard the past 6 months and are happy to see with LA and his crew that they absolutely no chance whatsoever?
I think you're right though... the majority of competitors, in any competition for that matter, don't believe they can win; they just participate to get some fresh air.

Bottom line: 3 riders who rode in the Giro participated in this race. The results are self-explanatory for why they should not have participated.
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Boy this seems to be a lot of whining about a race that almost no one in this forum would have mentioned or cared about if LA and Co hadn't participated. He got invited, he wanted to blast out a short run, he showed up, and people actually noticed the race because he went. Sorry, but i am willing to bet the guys who didnt podium because they were there can now say the only guys who beat them were in the Giro.
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Boy this seems to be a lot of whining about a race that almost no one in this forum would have mentioned or cared about if LA and Co hadn't participated.
Well the race did happen, and LA and Co did participate, so what's your point?

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He got invited, he wanted to blast out a short run, he showed up, and people actually noticed the race because he went.
And unless LA and Co return every year, then the race will return into oblivion.

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Sorry, but i am willing to bet the guys who didnt podium because they were there can now say the only guys who beat them were in the Giro.
You're right. 120 guys went home and told their wives that they would have won if LA and Co had not have been there.
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Did you speak to them too? ...
Did you?

Well then, stop putting words in other people's mouths.

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Did you?

Well then, stop putting words in other people's mouths.

Agree.

I would see this as good news/bad news. Hey. If I were a cat 1 or 2 racer, I'd be tickled to say I raced with those guys. True, they may have taken a few loaves of bread out of some of the pro's mouths, but hey, a pro rider is a pro rider.
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And unless LA and Co return every year, then the race will return into oblivion.
This race was never in oblivion - Armstrong himself raced it 20 years ago... got his @$$ handed to him by the pro's. Obviously it didn't get a lot of national attention though.

It's not unusual for pro teams (Rock Racing, BMC etc) to show up at relatively unimportant local races around here.

Floyd's racing a criterium in Benicia next weekend - http://www.beniciatownrace.com/

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This race was never in oblivion - Armstrong himself raced it 20 years ago... got his @$$ handed to him by the pro's. Obviously it didn't get a lot of national attention though.

It's not unusual for pro teams (Rock Racing, BMC etc) to show up at relatively unimportant local races around here.

Floyd's racing a criterium in Benicia next weekend - http://www.beniciatownrace.com/
20 years ago LA was not the name he is now. Other big names have shown up and raced it at times too, but before they were truly big names. LA mentioned some big name dropping by to race it in '71 even.

It was in oblivion to most racing fans.
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20 years ago LA was not the name he is now. Other big names have shown up and raced it at times too, but before they were truly big names. LA mentioned some big name dropping by to race it in '71 even.

It was in oblivion to most racing fans.
Sorry, that's just not true, it was the biggest race in Northern California for many years. Greg Lemond won three times, Alexi Grewal won many years after his Olympic gold, Levi won in 1998... None of these guys were at the peak of their careers but they were definitely big names at the time. Hampsten, Prehn, Huber, both Stetinas, Jeff Pierce, Steve Larson, Chris Carmichael - all raced the NCC. Cat 1's and domestic pro's who show up for this race don't whine when the celebrity riders line up.
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Did you?

Well then, stop putting words in other people's mouths.

Re-read the thread.
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Re-read the thread.
I did. I must be missing your point. It seems like you're saying the three Astana riders were big jerks for coming, ruined the race for everyone else, and the people who might otherwise have had a shot at winning are pissed about it.

What am I missing?
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I did. I must be missing your point. It seems like you're saying the three Astana riders were big jerks for coming, ruined the race for everyone else, and the people who might otherwise have had a shot at winning are pissed about it.

What am I missing?
I didn't quote you.
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Who do you think would have won if LA and crew hadn't showed up? Probably BJM - would have been a nice line on his resume but I doubt he holds a Lance grudge over this. I'm sure the other 120 or so P12's enjoyed the experience. The race organizers were certainly happy about it.
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So you've spoken to BJM and all the other riders?
And they all agree with you?
Well then, I guess that settles it.

Seriously, the race organizers are not the ones out there spinning their butts off to try to get a podium finish.
xfimpg, you are talking out of your ass. I can't speak for everyone there, but yesterday my teammate who was in the race told me about his experience. He had a blast and thouroughly enjoyed the chance to to be in a race with riders of that caliber. I have another teammate who last year upgraded to cat 1 so that he could do Pro/1 NRC races with top pros, even though he knew he had no chance in those races. Think of all the people that clamor outside the team bus to get a glimpse of Lance, and these guys got to race with him, even if it was for only 3 laps before he attacked and blew the race apart...

Edit: FWIW, I was blown out the back of a crit when Tony Cruz attacked. I thought that was pretty cool
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xfimpg, you are talking out of your ass. I can't speak for everyone there, but yesterday my teammate who was in the race told me about his experience. He had a blast and thouroughly enjoyed the chance to to be in a race with riders of that caliber. I have another teammate who last year upgraded to cat 1 so that he could do Pro/1 NRC races with top pros, even though he knew he had no chance in those races. Think of all the people that clamor outside the team bus to get a glimpse of Lance, and these guys got to race with him, even if it was for only 3 laps before he attacked and blew the race apart...

Edit: FWIW, I was blown out the back of a crit when Tony Cruz attacked. I thought that was pretty cool
If I worshipped LA, I'd probably agree with you.
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If I worshipped LA, I'd probably agree with you.
I certainly don't worship him, neither does my teammate. But it is still an honor to race with riders of that caliber. I doubt very many of the participants were upset that he was there. Most would not have had a chance anyway with the likes of BJM and other top pros. In any given race most of the riders are packfill and know it.
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I certainly don't worship him, neither does my teammate. But it is still an honor to race with riders of that caliber. I doubt very many of the participants were upset that he was there. Most would not have had a chance anyway with the likes of BJM and other top pros. In any given race most of the riders are packfill and know it.
LA and Co blew the race open after 3 laps to get rid of the deadwood.
Come on, how much racing with him was that?
Well, if you're satisfied with 3 laps, that's up to you.
I still don't think the Pro's should participate in those races.
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LA and Co blew the race open after 3 laps to get rid of the deadwood.
Come on, how much racing with him was that?
Well, if you're satisfied with 3 laps, that's up to you.
I still don't think the Pro's should participate in those races.
It was a PRO / 1 / 2 race. Of course the pros should participate in that. Talking to teammate who has raced it in the past, that race always blows apart quickly. You are trying to make a big deal about something that just isn't an issue.
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You are trying to make a big deal about something that just isn't an issue.
Of course it seems that way because you disagree, and you're entitled to.
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