Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Professional Cycling For the Fans
Reload this Page >

Things you didn't know about "categories"

Search
Notices
Professional Cycling For the Fans Follow the Tour de France,the Giro de Italia, the Spring Classics, or other professional cycling races? Here's your home...

Things you didn't know about "categories"

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-03-09, 07:20 PM
  #1  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Things you didn't know about "categories"

Hi there,

I've often heard people discuss what "categories" really are. You know, the term used to describe climbs in races such as Tour de France.

Well, I decided to find out about the "system" behind the categorization. You can take a look at the results here: https://www.danskebjerge.dk/article-categories.htm

/Jacob
Editor, Danskebjerge.dk

P.S.: Sorry, no international edition of the entire website as yet.
Danskebjerge is offline  
Old 07-03-09, 08:37 PM
  #2  
It's MY mountain
 
DiabloScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mt.Diablo
Posts: 10,002

Bikes: Klein, Merckx, Trek

Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4338 Post(s)
Liked 2,980 Times in 1,617 Posts
Here's some data I compiled...

DiabloScott is offline  
Old 07-04-09, 06:26 AM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
xfimpg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,137

Bikes: RichardZEP

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 21 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by DiabloScott
Here's some data I compiled...

No Mont Ventoux in there...?

Last edited by xfimpg; 07-04-09 at 06:30 AM.
xfimpg is offline  
Old 07-04-09, 06:50 AM
  #4  
Je pose, donc je suis.
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Back. Here.
Posts: 2,898
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Danskebjerge
Hi there,

I've often heard people discuss what "categories" really are. You know, the term used to describe climbs in races such as Tour de France.

Well, I decided to find out about the "system" behind the categorization. You can take a look at the results here: https://www.danskebjerge.dk/article-categories.htm

/Jacob
Editor, Danskebjerge.dk

P.S.: Sorry, no international edition of the entire website as yet.
Danske bjerge? Heh.

(Fra kanten af de fynske alper...)
Pedaleur is offline  
Old 07-08-09, 10:01 PM
  #5  
Big Blade
 
Howzit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 950
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Just bringing this thread back up. It has some cool info and some new comers might find it usefull
Howzit is offline  
Old 07-08-09, 10:08 PM
  #6  
Seņor Member
 
USAZorro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Hardy, VA
Posts: 17,923

Bikes: Mostly English - predominantly Raleighs

Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1491 Post(s)
Liked 1,090 Times in 638 Posts
Where's Haleakala?

p.s. - given the gradient, Hamilton would be a long Cat 2 climb, or possibly gain Cat 1 status. I doubt it would actually be graded as HC.
__________________
In search of what to search for.
USAZorro is offline  
Old 07-08-09, 11:24 PM
  #7  
Magnesium Dogmatic
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Long Beach, CA
Posts: 1,939

Bikes: Look 585 Ultra, Pinarello Dogma, Pegoretti Duende, Orbea, Cannondale Capo

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I had the impression that the climb's location in the stage (early on, towards the end after additional climbs, etc) also influenced the category. Is this not true?
haimtoeg is offline  
Old 07-09-09, 01:11 AM
  #8  
Big Blade
 
Howzit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 950
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by haimtoeg
I had the impression that the climb's location in the stage (early on, towards the end after additional climbs, etc) also influenced the category. Is this not true?
Absolutely not.
The categories are the rating of how difficult the climb is. You can have a stage with Cat 1 out the gate, followed by a Cat 4, and back to a Cat 1 again. Nothing to do with the order in which they are in the stage
Howzit is offline  
Old 07-09-09, 08:00 AM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
collegeskier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Evanston, IL
Posts: 817

Bikes: Felt F5, Fuji Robaix Pro and a KHS Mountain Bike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Howzit
Absolutely not.
The categories are the rating of how difficult the climb is. You can have a stage with Cat 1 out the gate, followed by a Cat 4, and back to a Cat 1 again. Nothing to do with the order in which they are in the stage
What I have always heard is there is no system but that later climbs often get bigger numbers then a similar climb at the beginning of the stage.
collegeskier is offline  
Old 07-09-09, 08:12 AM
  #10  
Magnesium Dogmatic
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Long Beach, CA
Posts: 1,939

Bikes: Look 585 Ultra, Pinarello Dogma, Pegoretti Duende, Orbea, Cannondale Capo

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Howzit
Absolutely not.
The categories are the rating of how difficult the climb is. You can have a stage with Cat 1 out the gate, followed by a Cat 4, and back to a Cat 1 again. Nothing to do with the order in which they are in the stage
Here's someone that disagrees with you: https://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/5.3.html
haimtoeg is offline  
Old 07-09-09, 08:15 AM
  #11  
pan y agua
 
merlinextraligh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 31,303

Bikes: Willier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Calfee Dragonfly tandem, Calfee Adventure tandem; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Motebecanne Phantom Cross; Schwinn Paramount Track bike

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1447 Post(s)
Liked 725 Times in 371 Posts
Originally Posted by Howzit
Absolutely not.
The categories are the rating of how difficult the climb is. You can have a stage with Cat 1 out the gate, followed by a Cat 4, and back to a Cat 1 again. Nothing to do with the order in which they are in the stage

I wouldn't say "absolutely not" True you can have a Cat 1 at the beginning of a stage and a 4 at the end.

However, whether a climb is considered an Cat 1, or an HC climb can be influenced by where it is on a stage. A climb that in the middle of a stage might get labeled a 1, may well be labeled HC if its a mountain top finish, particularly if there are no other HC climbs on the stage.

Just look at Friday's profile. The last climb at 10k average 7% is a bit light as HC climbs go, but its labeled HC for friday's race.
__________________
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
merlinextraligh is online now  
Old 07-09-09, 08:22 AM
  #12  
pan y agua
 
merlinextraligh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 31,303

Bikes: Willier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Calfee Dragonfly tandem, Calfee Adventure tandem; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Motebecanne Phantom Cross; Schwinn Paramount Track bike

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1447 Post(s)
Liked 725 Times in 371 Posts
Originally Posted by haimtoeg
Here's someone that disagrees with you: https://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/5.3.html
Another dissenting voice.

https://www.bikeradar.com/gear/articl...uestions-17218
__________________
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
merlinextraligh is online now  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.