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  • Just Lucky

    16 24.62%
  • Stronger Rider

    4 6.15%
  • Better Strategy

    44 67.69%
  • Teamates favoured him over Contador

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  • Team Director ordered it

    1 1.54%
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    Why is/was Armstrong ahead of Contador? (no spoilers)

    After 4 stages, Armstrong was or is 19 seconds ahead of his teammate Contador. Obviously this is because he did a very good initial time trial to stay within striking distance, and then in stage 3 he was in the front part of the peloton when it split, and Contador was caught in the back part.

    So how did Armstrong pull off that stage 3 coup:

    Just lucky?

    Stronger riding?

    Better strategy?

    Teammates favour him over Contador?

    Team Director ordered it for strategic/advertising purposes?

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    Little bit of luck, and the experience to know that the conditions were right for an echelon to form splitting the pack.

    There were a couple of times in Armstrong's 7 year run where some of his opponents lost signiifcant time being caught on the wrong side of a split on a flat stage with strong crosswinds. IIRC it was Mayo who lost big time one year in a similar situation.

    At this stage in their careers, I think Arsmtrong is a bit more savvy than Contador.
    You could fall off a cliff and die.
    You could get lost and die.
    You could hit a tree and die.
    OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooker View Post

    Better strategy?

    ?
    Pretty much, was in a better position and chose not to waste the opportunity and sit up and wait for AC.

    In the TDF you do not pass on any situation that gains your team an edge if you are a possible GC contender. Remember back when Ullrich floundered and Vinokourav ended up on the podium. Same type situation.

    LA is not gonna wait for anyone and I don't blame him. A 7 tiume tour champ has no reason to lollygag around.
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    I picked "Better Strategy" as he was intentionally in the right place at the right time.

    There is some luck involved, for example, if he had dropped back for a minute to get to the team car at just the wrong moment... But the strategy of staying at the front of the peleton seems to be key to his current GC position.

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    He knows Hincapie like he knows himself, and he figured what George was up to and followed.
    This is the Road Cycling forum. Let's keep it that way, OK?

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    Yea, I think better strategy and a little luck.
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    read my "theories" in the stage 3 thread.

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    He's always talked about being nervous about every stage. Always potential risks. He keeps an eye out. Passage du Gois immediately came to mind when watching this stage. (the early stage in 1999, where a crash on a narrow tidal passage gave him minutes over the favorites)

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    None of the above.

    And why did you call it a coup? For all of the hype, LA is not considered a GC contender by any other team. There was no reason to reel him in, they let him go. The other sprinter teams effed up when they let Cavendish go. The GC teams didn't need to waste any energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
    Little bit of luck, and the experience to know that the conditions were right for an echelon to form splitting the pack.

    There were a couple of times in Armstrong's 7 year run where some of his opponents lost signiifcant time being caught on the wrong side of a split on a flat stage with strong crosswinds. IIRC it was Mayo who lost big time one year in a similar situation.

    At this stage in their careers, I think Arsmtrong is a bit more savvy than Contador.
    i think LA is a lot savvier than AC but he wasn't always that way. armstrong learned the hard way that the strongest guy doesn't always win (e.g., boogerd, amstel gold)

    LA saw the situation developing and moved to the front...so did cancellara.

    now....the only question i have is why didn't armstrong alert AC, levi & kloden? and i think it's because he believes he can win the race and he also thinks the team leadership needs to be earned. you snooze you lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iab View Post
    None of the above.

    And why did you call it a coup?
    Do you think it is no big deal for Contador (or Bruyneel) that Lance is in this position?

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    None of the above: He was paying attention, AC wasn't, stuff happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolomiti View Post
    He's always talked about being nervous about every stage. Always potential risks. He keeps an eye out. Passage du Gois immediately came to mind when watching this stage. (the early stage in 1999, where a crash on a narrow tidal passage gave him minutes over the favorites)
    Good call, I was going to mention this myself but you beat me too it. Classic example of being alert (and in the right place) when it counted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    None of the above: He was paying attention, AC wasn't, stuff happens.
    That was option 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooker View Post
    That was option 3.
    no, it wasn't. strategy <> tactics <> luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by cooker View Post
    Do you think it is no big deal for Contador (or Bruyneel) that Lance is in this position?
    Shouldn't be. It's early, the race will be won and lost in the mountains. AC figures he's stronger than Lance there...and JB would probably prefer Lance win, if he could pull it off, considering the team is dumping both of them later this year.
    "Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey

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