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Old 07-09-09, 06:22 PM   #1
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Carlos Sastre

Ok, I know the guy is 2:44 back, but thats not the end of it.

Phill, Paul, Bobski, Frankie Andreu and that other dude mentions him ONCE during each stage, and thats when they give a review of the overall GC

Why isnt anyone mentioning ANYTHING AT ALL about Carlos??????


And why is the an Astana Jersey on the "washing line" on the bottom of the screen instead of Carlos Sastre as last years winner, DEFENDING CHAMPION???


Is it just me, or does NOBODY understand what defending Champion mean? Regardless of how badly or well they are doing this year?

These are some of the reasons I hate Lance so much. It completely takes all logic out of race information and commentary.

Disgusting, utterly disgusting. Since when do you completely and utterly ignore anything the defending champion of an event does???

Anyway, do you guys think he will win? If not, where do you place him overall in Paris?
Where would you LIKE to see him finish?
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Has he done anything news or commentary worthy? Other than come off his bike? No? Then don't expect him to get much air time until he does such. At which point they'll come out with something like, "the defending champion reminding everyone of why he is, and showing how."

In all honesty, unless something weird happens, do you think Carlo's team has enough depth to make a repeat happen? The best chance I see at anyone but Astana winning is Saxo Bank, followed by Garmin. Would you argue otherwise? I find it hard to believe that Test Team's going to be able mount a credible and lasting challenge against those three.
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1. Sastre 'won' against weak competition. The defending champ (Contador) wasn't riding. Armstrong wasn't riding. He beat Leipheimer and Evans. Big deal.

2. Sastre isn't having a bad tour. He's being exposed as just another good rider. He's not in Armstrong or Contador's league. Yeah, he can climb, but that's it.

3. Sastre has had zero impact on what so far far has been a pretty exciting tour. Why should they mention him?

4. If Sastre want's to get his name back in the news he had better put on a show tomorrow (Stage 7). Usually not a whole lot happens in the Pyranees with the GC contenders, but Sastre doesn't really have a choice. If he wants to be a player he's going to have to attack tomorrow.
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given the strength of this year's field (versus last year's), don't think sastre has a chance to
win; outside shot at a podium place. he's going to have to go multiple times on multiple
mountain stages like he did at this year's giro. waiting until this year's alpe d'huez won't work.
no way astana will let him get more than a minute on the ventoux-stage 20.
they may be dumb but they ain't stupid. sastre's going to lose another minute plus to strong
tt'ers like levi, kloden, lance, menchov, evans on stage 18's time trial around the lake.
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And why is the an Astana Jersey on the "washing line" on the bottom of the screen instead of Carlos Sastre as last years winner, DEFENDING CHAMPION???
Its a Lance Armstrong tracker. People are watching because of him, its a small added touch that allows people to follow him a little easier.

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Old 07-09-09, 06:53 PM   #6
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The Lance tracker really bugs me. Again, not a Lance hater, but I hate that blue jersey sitting there.
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People on this board will hate it because it messes with their purest nature.
Versus doesnt give a damn about you.
They know where their bread is buttered and it aint with the purest.
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People on this board will hate it because it messes with their purest nature.
Versus doesnt give a damn about you.
They know where their bread is buttered and it aint with the purest.
True true. I need to fix that
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Just like there are 99'ers, there are a bunch or 09'ers. Versus is catering to them, since a sizeable percentage will want to know how Lance is doing, and that provides a better solution (IMO), than all the camera concentration that was on him during the Giro.
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I like how you hate Lance for something he has no control of.
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Well I"m at 08'er, so I'm fresh in following the Tour. However, tonight I was chatting with a friend and mentioned that I was watching Le Tour and he quickly asked, "Ohhh, how's Lance doing?"

This is the impact of Lance. Even before I got into cycling, I was interested in following Lance albeit just reading highlights in the paper. I give Lance credit to finally getting me interested in cycling, although it was after his retirement.
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Since when do you completely and utterly ignore anything the defending champion of an event does???
I think you sound completely and utterly like Paul Sherwen
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As several others have stated, there are thousands of people who are watching the tour for the first time and being exposed to what professional bike racing is all about just because of Lance's comeback. Can that REALLY be a bad thing for the sport?

Kinda like what Tiger did for golf, that is what Lance is doing.

The "Lance Tracker" is important to those people. Just be happy that versus is showing every stage in the US. That's 16 stages better than they did last year.
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...The "Lance Tracker" is important to those people. Just be happy that versus is showing every stage in the US. That's 16 stages better than they did last year.
Where I live, Versus showed every stage - multiple times. If you didn't get them all, it's because of your local affiliate, or cable company.
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Looking at Sastre's past wins, he seems to only go for wins and make his moves in the second half of the second week, and third week. Therefore, don't expect him to do anything before then.
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15 years ago you would have been waiting for the world cycling productions VHS tape to come out to see the tour and now we are *****in' because the biggest draw to cycling in the u.s. EVER is being mentioned too much.

man you guys don't know how good you got it. if lance pulls out of cycling and this depression keeps grinding on we'll be returning to the dark days of cycling .... that'll show you .

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Why isnt anyone mentioning ANYTHING AT ALL about Carlos??????
Because anyone who knows anything knows that Carlo's is not a threat in this years feild of riders. He won against a feild of wimpy little cycling pansies last year but this time he is against far superior adversaries.

Carlo's should just go ahead and abandon rather than litter the roads of France with his wimpy little sweat drops.
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As several others have stated, there are thousands of people who are watching the tour for the first time and being exposed to what professional bike racing is all about just because of Lance's comeback. Can that REALLY be a bad thing for the sport?

Kinda like what Tiger did for golf, that is what Lance is doing.

The "Lance Tracker" is important to those people. Just be happy that versus is showing every stage in the US. That's 16 stages better than they did last year.
Do you go to tournaments and see the horde following Tiger around?

Definitely not the purists. Maybe things have turned around but the golf business was stagnating and has been for some time after a long period of growth. Tiger's presence hasn't contributed to the growth of golf.

To answer your question about if it's really bad for the sport, I think the answer is mixed.

People who aren't familiar with the culture of the sport should familiarize themselves with it before running roughshod over it. You ever play golf with someone who doesn't know wtf is going on? They'll be talking when you're addressing the ball. They'll trample the line of your putt. They'll stand in your line either in back of you or in back of the hole to get a read. It gets tiring and I tell them to get the hell out of my line.

Similiarly it gets tiring when you keep hearing Armstrong is the greatest cyclist who ever lived.

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do you go to tournaments and see the horde following tiger around?

Definitely not the purists. Maybe things have turned around but the golf business was stagnating and has been for some time after a long period of growth. Tiger's presence hasn't contributed to the growth of golf.

To answer your question about if it's really bad for the sport, i think the answer is mixed.

People who aren't familiar with the culture of the sport should familiarize themselves with it before running roughshod over it. You ever play golf with someone who doesn't know wtf is going on? They'll be talking when you're addressing the ball. They'll trample the line of your putt. They'll stand in your line either in back of you or in back of the hole to get a read. It gets tiring and i tell them to get the hell out of my line.

Similiarly it gets tiring when you keep hearing armstrong is the greatest cyclist who ever lived.


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Similiarly it gets tiring when you keep hearing Armstrong is the greatest cyclist who ever lived.
You mean he's not!!!!!
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Similiarly it gets tiring when you keep hearing Armstrong is the greatest cyclist who ever lived.
Out of curiousity and for perspective in future posts: If you had to, how would you define "Greatest Cyclist of all time"? If you could name only one, who do you think is the greatest cyclist of all time?
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You guys are tough.

Sastre's had a fine career. Great climber. Put together two superior, back-to-back, efforts last year: TdF & Vuelta. Seems like a real gentleman and very humble about his impressive palmares.

His attack on that climbing stage in this year's Giro was one of the better mountain stages I've seen since....well, Alpe D'Huez '08 TdF....hmmm.

He will show more and I don't think he's going to disappoint. Maybe not the podium this year but, I really enjoy watching him dance up the mountains. Superior athlete.
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Out of curiousity and for perspective in future posts: If you had to, how would you define "Greatest Cyclist of all time"? If you could name only one, who do you think is the greatest cyclist of all time?
Eddy Merckx. Anyone who disagrees with this is off their ****ing rocker.
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Tiger's presence hasn't contributed to the growth of golf.
Go ask tour promotors when he doesnt pick their tournament what it does to have him in the field. I live in Columbus, I've been to the Memorial with and without Tiger. Pre-tiger, it was busy, but they didnt sell out. Even in this economy when nothing other than majors sell out, ticket sales were strong.


You really have to stop reaching on so many of your posts. You hate Lance, we get it. Why not just stop talking about it? You're not going to "educate" anyone here, we can read and understand facts just as well as you. Some of us just refuse to condemn on inuendo and unsubstantiated rumors/poor testing practices/etc.
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