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    Lance apologizes...

    http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_ylt...v=ap&type=lgns

    “The Tour was a bit of a joke this year. I’ve got nothing against Sastre … or Christian Vande Velde,” he was quoted as saying shortly after the race last year. “Christian’s a nice guy, but finishing fifth in the Tour de France? Come on!”
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    “And as it has been reported in the press … I was disrespectful to Carlos Sastre, Christian Vande Velde—the guys who were a presence in last year’s Tour, and that was not correct,” Armstrong added.
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    in b4 Howzit rant about LA

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    1999 GT Xizang Ti

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    This is one of the MANY reasons I dont like this guy.
    I mean common, seriously.
    Non of you see this? Non of you get it?

    Sarah Palin is the next President I swear, I can just tell that there is no hope. If <reference deleted by Admin> Lance can do and say all the things he does, and is still popular among people..... we seriously have no hope.

    And you know, this apology makes Lance look even better. Because now he the "big man who stepped up to apologize". He is "such a true character for apologizing", I can just see Lance fans thinking this.
    Damn I hate that guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post
    This is one of the MANY reasons I dont like this guy.
    I mean common, seriously.
    Non of you see this? Non of you get it?
    Ive generally found that when im the only one screaming dont you get it, its me who doesnt.


    just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post
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    Alright how 'bout we lay off Lance's medical history? We all know his past and what the cancer cost him, bringing it up as an adjective is just gratuitous and unwarranted.

    Also, this will end up in P&R pretty quick if this trend continues.
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    Actually, the trash if it continues down either the attack path OR the P&R path.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    Actually, the trash if it continues down either the attack path OR the P&R path.
    Can we just take those two comments out (P&R).
    Why do people start personal attacks? Geez.

    Anyway, would any of you agree that Lance is going to look even BETTER to his fans now that he apologized?

    More media tactics?

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    well according to Sastre's twitter he really appreciated the fact that lance took the time to apologize in the pack a few days back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post
    Can we just take those two comments out (P&R).
    Why do people start personal attacks? Geez.

    Anyway, would any of you agree that Lance is going to look even BETTER to his fans now that he apologized?

    More media tactics?
    Lance creates a media frenzy. The last years of the tour were a bit boring honestly, and it being a joke isn't far from the truth, and honestly why are these pansies so sensitive? The TDF certainly has lost a lot of luster for the past few years when Lance left.

    Any ways, too bad Lance and AC are going to get crushed by Menchov. Enjoy your five minutes of comeback fame Lance, because you are about to be assassinated by the big russian.

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    Lance said something that many of us had already asserted. It wasn't polite or respectful of his competitors. He recanted and admitted that saying so wasn't the correct thing to do. What's the issue?
    Birth Certificate, Passport, Marriage License Driver's License and Residency Permit all say I'm a Fred. I guess there's no denying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post
    Can we just take those two comments out (P&R).
    Why do people start personal attacks? Geez.

    Anyway, would any of you agree that Lance is going to look even BETTER to his fans now that he apologized?

    More media tactics?
    Why do people start personal attacks? Hmm, maybe for the same kind of reasons SOME people use loss of a body part to cancer to make an attack on an internet forum.

    I'll clean out the P&R stuff and the other comments referring to loss of body parts too.
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    Mr Armstrong has done way more good in the world than bad. Saying stupid things and making mistakes is part of being human. The guy never claimed to be Jesus. He has done more for cancer than just about anyone else. I think I can overlook a few short comings. He has made the world a better place.

    Sorry he had to dirty up cycling by introducing controversy, attitude, and the sport was completely clean before he came along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    Why do people start personal attacks? Hmm, maybe for the same kind of reasons SOME people use loss of a body part to cancer to make an attack on an internet forum.

    I'll clean out the P&R stuff and the other comments referring to loss of body parts too.
    Many thanks... That was getting a bit off-putting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    Why do people start personal attacks? Hmm, maybe for the same kind of reasons SOME people use loss of a body part to cancer to make an attack on an internet forum.

    I'll clean out the P&R stuff and the other comments referring to loss of body parts too.
    In my defense, its a fact. And im attacking Lance, not people here. Im not making it personal with anybody here.

    Media tactics you guys think? Or he is genuine?
    Perhaps getting used to the "apologies" you have to make as a politician?

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    Lance is bike racing. don't think so look how they try to interview him after the stages. Menchov? Who is that? Besides he is riding for cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post
    In my defense, its a fact. And im attacking Lance, not people here.
    I don't particularily like him either - but you've made your point many times over. Not every thread has to turn into a rant, despite the invitaton in post 2 (thanks, exhumed ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    Why do people start personal attacks? Hmm, maybe for the same kind of reasons SOME people use loss of a body part to cancer to make an attack on an internet forum.

    I'll clean out the P&R stuff and the other comments referring to loss of body parts too.
    Some trash could be taken out as well...as in posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillStohler View Post
    He has done more for cancer than just about anyone else.
    Wow. Hard to believe one sentence could be so wrong. No arguing LA has done a lot but putting him anywhere near the top of the heap is a joke and shows a complete lack of understanding of cancer research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iab View Post
    Wow. Hard to believe one sentence could be so wrong. No arguing LA has done a lot but putting him anywhere near the top of the heap is a joke and shows a complete lack of understanding of cancer research.


    What one individual has done more from an awareness and money raising point of view? Names please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post
    In my defense, its a fact.
    So that makes it Okay? So because I know a young lady that is profoundly mentally handicapped, because it is true, I can refer to her in an inappropriate manner in conversation. Your logic is faulty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post
    im attacking Lance, not people here. Im not making it personal with anybody here.
    Unless of course there are folks that have lost testicles or other body parts due to cancer or other disease. They may beg to differ.



    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post
    Media tactics you guys think? Or he is genuine?
    Since he was not apologizing to me, I really have no opinion. THat is between LA and the folks that feel they were slighted.


    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post
    Perhaps getting used to the "apologies" you have to make as a politician?
    phhhbbtt... He has gotten nowhere near that level.



    We get it. You do not like Lance. Fine. State the reasons and defend them. Even though I am pulling for him I will be the first to admit that he has some character flaws. However, by resorting to take shots at what could be considered a disfiguration due to cancer is a road better less traveled.


    To keep this tread on topic, I am sure that the apologies he made in the peloton, the ones we did not hear as we were not there, were far more genuine than the ones that were presented as a sound-byte on the news. These guys are professionals in a pretty small "club" so I imagine (and this is speculation here) that at the end of the day for the most part they are friends off the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyb View Post
    What one individual has done more from an awareness and money raising point of view? Names please
    Elizabeth T.H. Fontham
    Raynard S. Kington
    Daniel J. Starks
    Kevin Sharer
    Susan G. Komen

    If you want celebs, I'd go Ronald McDonald and Gilda Radner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iab View Post
    Elizabeth T.H. Fontham
    Raynard S. Kington
    Daniel J. Starks
    Kevin Sharer
    Susan G. Komen

    If you want celebs, I'd go Ronald McDonald and Gilda Radner.
    Elizabeth Fontham worked for the Louisiana State University Medical Center, New Orleans, LA. Fontham was the lead author of research published in June of 1994 in the Journal of the American Medical Association. The study, the largest of its kind, found that nonsmoking wives who live with smokers have about a 30% increased chance of developing lung cancer compared with women in tobacco free homes. The study was peer-reviewed by experts in statistics and found to be academically valid before publication. (WSJ 6/7/94).

    Also Elizabeth is on the board of directors of the ACS.

    But I guarantee you the names you put up other than Ronald McDonald who is a fictional character, would draw a blank to all but a small portion of the population, vs. Lance Armstrong.

    Say what you will about Lance, at least he has given back and raises awareness on the cancer front. This is much more than what most celebrity athletes do.

    And regarding "Whozthat" you hatred for Lance goes way too deep. You need to quit obsessing over the guy. I don't know what your gig is but it sure sounds like a broken record. Go ahead and root for someone else or wait a year or two and when Lance is done you can safely come back into the pond.

    And just about every top cyclist including AC has been implicated or caught. The way I look at it, is we are watching a level playing field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julian View Post
    But I guarantee you the names you put up other than Ronald McDonald who is a fictional character, would draw a blank to all but a small portion of the population, vs. Lance Armstrong.
    Irrelevant to the question at hand. And although I have no proof like yourself, my guess is that Susan G. Komen has a higher name recognition.


    Quote Originally Posted by julian
    Say what you will about Lance, at least he has given back and raises awareness on the cancer front. This is much more than what most celebrity athletes do.
    Never wrote anything otherwise. I am in full agreement.


    Quote Originally Posted by julian
    And regarding "Whozthat" you hatred for Lance goes way too deep. You need to quit obsessing over the guy. I don't know what your gig is but it sure sounds like a broken record. Go ahead and root for someone else or wait a year or two and when Lance is done you can safely come back into the pond.

    And just about every top cyclist including AC has been implicated or caught. The way I look at it, is we are watching a level playing field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iab View Post
    Irrelevant to the question at hand. And although I have no proof like yourself, my guess is that Susan G. Komen has a higher name recognition.


    WHO???????????????

    Never wrote anything otherwise. I am in full agreement.

    Not in response to you.


    Huh??

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