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    Lance to ride next years tour, start own team

    Well I have seen it speculated in threads on here, but since there wasnt a separate thread about him saying this I thought I would post it. Here is the article. http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story...'-his-last

    I think that this is interesting on a couple of fronts. First, it tells me that LA feels alot better than he thought he would at this stage and feels he can top the podium, second, with LA comes the sponsors and the money so it would be wise for the rest of team Astana to back him for their spot. Yes I know that very scenario has been bantied about, but now that he has come out and said it, during the tour no less, to me sends a clear message.

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    Please Mr. Armstrong let someone besides Garth Brooks design the new team kit!! This idea of one sleeve or pants leg being a different color is getting old.

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    Could see this one coming with all of the other news around Astana. Vino made some really stupid comments about how he built Astana and he would definitely be back on the team in August whether Johan wanted him or not. I suspect JB & Lance will take most of the current Astana riders to the new team, Contador will sign with a different team, and Vino will ride with Astana until the team folds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjbruin View Post
    Could see this one coming with all of the other news around Astana. Vino made some really stupid comments about how he built Astana and he would definitely be back on the team in August whether Johan wanted him or not. I suspect JB & Lance will take most of the current Astana riders to the new team, Contador will sign with a different team, and Vino will ride with Astana until the team folds.
    About the only rider with a more inflated ego than Lance in Vino. With him riding, look for Astana to not be invited to the Tour next year.

    Alberto? The world could be his oyster. Three or four teams would be able to give him what he deserves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USAZorro View Post
    About the only rider with a more inflated ego than Lance in Vino. With him riding, look for Astana to not be invited to the Tour next year.

    Alberto? The world could be his oyster. Three or four teams would be able to give him what he deserves.
    I bet after this experience on an English speaking team he will seek the comfort of a Spanish team, which would be a career mistake IMO. Or he can always go to Lotto when Cadel leaves. LOL.

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    Gee, I'm shocked. Amazed. Stunned. What unexpected 'news'.
    What will they call the team? Egos-r-us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redrocks View Post
    Well I have seen it speculated in threads on here, but since there wasnt a separate thread about him saying this I thought I would post it. Here is the article. http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story...'-his-last

    Yes, you are correct. This has been posted here before a few times. That's ok to post it again though. Only negative comments about Lance Armstrong get merged into the 10+ long thread. Positive posts about Armstrong are allowed to be repetitive so you are ok.
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    It'll be interesting to see what Contador does. There's no question that Bruyneel and the US Postal / Discovery / Astana team has basically dominated the Grand Tours the past decade almost now ... and with Lance and the US sponsors (surely Nike and Oakley and I'm willing to bet plenty of others) it should be the wealthiest and strongest team in the world again. If Contador wants to win 10 Grand Tours over his career, the smart long term move is to smooth over relations with LA and JB and stick with that team long term. If he wants more immediate results, one of the Spanish teams will offer the chance - but probably not the deep pockets, marketing power, media attention and enormously talented teams that the Nike/Livestrong squad can offer.

    I think he goes with a Spanish team, but I also think that in the very long term (post 2010) that's a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vadimivich View Post
    It'll be interesting to see what Contador does. There's no question that Bruyneel and the US Postal / Discovery / Astana team has basically dominated the Grand Tours the past decade almost now ... and with Lance and the US sponsors (surely Nike and Oakley and I'm willing to bet plenty of others) it should be the wealthiest and strongest team in the world again. If Contador wants to win 10 Grand Tours over his career, the smart long term move is to smooth over relations with LA and JB and stick with that team long term. If he wants more immediate results, one of the Spanish teams will offer the chance - but probably not the deep pockets, marketing power, media attention and enormously talented teams that the Nike/Livestrong squad can offer.

    I think he goes with a Spanish team, but I also think that in the very long term (post 2010) that's a mistake.
    banesto did a pretty good job of bankrolling indurain. contador would be a fool to stick with lance/bruyneel, and i believe he won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjbruin View Post
    Could see this one coming with all of the other news around Astana. Vino made some really stupid comments about how he built Astana and he would definitely be back on the team in August whether Johan wanted him or not. I suspect JB & Lance will take most of the current Astana riders to the new team, Contador will sign with a different team, and Vino will ride with Astana until the team folds.
    You must be delusional thinking that riders want to be on Lances team. Its no secret that if your on Lances team, your pretty much not allowed to ever win or make a move. Look at poor Big George. Years and years of nursing Lance in the mountains, then the years he is gone, Big George finally wins stages for himself. Poor Contador makes a moves to gain a little time for himself and Lance throw a whining tantrum
    Big George even said in an interview that he was thinking of quiting, but after joining Team Columbia, all of a sudden, racing is fun a again. So dont take my word on it or think Im just hating on Pharmstrong.
    And you also seriously think riders would follow an old man with an ego bigger than all riders in the Tour put together?

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    If this does happen he will have a strong team if for no other reason...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post
    You must be delusional thinking that riders want to be on Lances team. Its no secret that if your on Lances team, your pretty much not allowed to ever win or make a move. Look at poor Big George. Years and years of nursing Lance in the mountains, then the years he is gone, Big George finally wins stages for himself.
    Wrong. George won his first stage in 2005. It was actually because he was on Lance's team that he did not need to help the breakaway. This left his legs fresher allowing him to take the stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post
    You must be delusional thinking that riders want to be on Lances team. Its no secret that if your on Lances team, your pretty much not allowed to ever win or make a move. Look at poor Big George. Years and years of nursing Lance in the mountains, then the years he is gone, Big George finally wins stages for himself. Poor Contador makes a moves to gain a little time for himself and Lance throw a whining tantrum
    Big George even said in an interview that he was thinking of quiting, but after joining Team Columbia, all of a sudden, racing is fun a again. So dont take my word on it or think Im just hating on Pharmstrong.
    And you also seriously think riders would follow an old man with an ego bigger than all riders in the Tour put together?
    You are hating on Lance, you always do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howzit View Post
    You must be delusional thinking that riders want to be on Lances team. Its no secret that if your on Lances team, your pretty much not allowed to ever win or make a move. Look at poor Big George. Years and years of nursing Lance in the mountains, then the years he is gone, Big George finally wins stages for himself. Poor Contador makes a moves to gain a little time for himself and Lance throw a whining tantrum
    Big George even said in an interview that he was thinking of quiting, but after joining Team Columbia, all of a sudden, racing is fun a again. So dont take my word on it or think Im just hating on Pharmstrong.
    And you also seriously think riders would follow an old man with an ego bigger than all riders in the Tour put together?

    KUF already coected the factual inacuracy regarding Hincapie.

    Moreover, how does it always seem to be that Armstrong has the strongest team around him ( at least afte the first couple of tour wins)? Of course money plays a role, but you couldn't assemble the teams he's had if others did not want to ride for Bruyneel and with Armstrong. And the money does flow to Armstrong's teammates in large measure because of Armstrong.

    Additionally, Armstrong's focus on the TDF has allowed his teammates to pursue other goals, such as winning the Giro, the Vuelta, and classics.

    If you have ambitions to win the Tour de France, this year or next, riding with Armstrong is admittedly not where you want to be. Hence Contador's problem. However, if you have goals other than the TDF, or you're young, and want to learn and develop, and your personal TDF ambitions can be set aside until 2011, being a teammate of Armstrong is an excellent place to be.

    Simply put, it's good to be on a team that wins.
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    I would like to see the new LA/JB team to add Taylor Phinney to the roster. I know he's raw but he seems to be very talented.

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    Phinney's already on the Livestrong developmental team. I'd say the odds are Phinney would enventually have a spot on the new UCI team.
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    Yeah, I can't see a Livestrong team without Phinney on it.

    And Howzit - it can't be too bad to be Lance's teammate, there's been a ton of talented riders over the years who were more than willing to kill themselves to ride with the LA/JB combo (Paolo Salvodelli, Chechu Ribiera, Roberto Heras, etc). Heck, just on this tour alone it's pretty clear that Haimar Zubeldia, Andreas Kloden and Levi Leipheimer (all top 5 finishers in the TdF in the past) have no problem riding for him. Whichever team Lance is involved with will always be the strongest - he attracts good riders and he attracts sponsors. And his teams win. A lot.

    As for a Spanish team supporting Contador ala Banesto, there certainly isn't a problem in the pure sporting sense. I'm certain he can find a team strong enough to help him win the TdF (hell, he won't need much help - the dude is a billy goat on crack who can also ITT). Whether or not they can make him an international superstar the way Nike and Livestrong can ... that's another story. You don't think the marketing muscle of Nike doesn't absolutely dwarf that of Caisse d'Epagne? In the long run, looking at his legacy (and he has a chance to put together one of the best careers in the post-Merckx years) it might be in his benefit to have that sort of promotion behind him - look how much it's done for Lance.

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