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bellweatherman 07-24-09 04:19 AM

Cancellara disputing Contador's time in the TT
 
Cancellara is saying that there is no way that Contador would've won the individual time trial had he not benefitted from preferential treatment from the UCI. Link below.

If you watch the stage, Cancellara does have a valid point. The motorcycles following Contador are alot closer than those that followed the other riders. The big thing is that while the rest of the riders only had one motorcycle ahead of them, Contador had two. Anyone that has ever done motorpace training knows what a huge advantage a motorbike is in drafting. The motorbikes are too far away to get a huge advantage, but the fact that there were two and over the course of a long 40km time trial does gives support to what Cancellara is saying. If Cancellara is right, the overall standings would be alot closer between 1st and 2nd right now.

Article here:
Fabian Cancellara speaks out at preferential treatment for Alberto Contador
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fabi...berto-contador

botto 07-24-09 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellweatherman (Post 9343582)
Cancellara disputing Contador's time in the TT

incorrect.

DenisMenchov 07-24-09 04:28 AM

Excuses from a sore loser, or valid points? I don't know, going to have to go see some tape again. You would think there would be some kind of regulation in place as to how many motorcycles can be near the rider, and what distance they should be from the rider.

I doubt there was intent to help Contador though.

ajwray 07-24-09 04:32 AM

While Cancellara is questioning what he thinks was preferential treatment for AC, he is not disputing the time. Subtle but big difference from the thread title.

botto 07-24-09 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenisMenchov (Post 9343604)
Excuses from a sore loser, or valid points? I don't know, going to have to go see some tape again. You would think there would be some kind of regulation in place as to how many motorcycles can be near the rider, and what distance they should be from the rider.

I doubt there was intent to help Contador though.

there is.

rogwilco 07-24-09 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellweatherman (Post 9343582)
If Cancellara is right, the overall standings would be alot closer between 1st and 2nd right now.

Contador may not have won the stage, but really how much advantage do you think he could have gained? As it stands now he's more than 4 minutes (!) ahead of Andy Schleck...
From what I saw on tv, the motorcycles were fairly far ahead of Contador, maybe that makes a tiny percentage of difference which maybe could add up to a couple seconds or so, but I doubt it's more than that.

I understand Cancellara's frustration after losing the stage by just three seconds, but whining doesn't suit him.

FriendlyFred 07-24-09 04:57 AM

Reading the article, one of Cancellara's statements is about the advantage Contador had by starting later. Hey, Fabian.....that's NOT preferential treatment, that's a perk for being FIRST in the overall GC. Whining isn't attractive

bellweatherman 07-24-09 05:24 AM

It isn't Contador's later start time that Cancellara is upset about. Remember, Cancellara lost by only 3 seconds to Alberto. Of course he is upset. And he is correct in that Contador had 2 lead motorcycles in front of him. On that basis, and his arguments, that Contador unfairly benefitted from these lead motorcycles, then he IS disputing Contador's time, and thus his win over him. He states that this unfair advantage (two lead motorcycles) is the reason why Contador beat him.

"The reigning Olympic time trial champion doesn’t lose against the clock very often when he’s on form, and Cancellara said he had a pretty good idea of why he lost."

Velonews reporting this now:
Cancellara says motorcycles helped Contador
http://tour-de-france.velonews.com/a...elped-contador

gear 07-24-09 05:40 AM

Cancellara can lodge a complaint, it might go in his favor it might not. Beyond that he should live with the results as that is what every athlete has to do when officials make decisions. This is also directed to Cavendish when he said (also to the media) that the green jersey has a stain on it because he was relegated in a stage for going off his line.

botto 07-24-09 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellweatherman (Post 9343721)
It isn't Contador's later start time that Cancellara is upset about. Remember, Cancellara lost by only 3 seconds to Alberto. Of course he is upset. And he is correct in that Contador had 2 lead motorcycles in front of him. On that basis, and his arguments, that Contador unfairly benefitted from these lead motorcycles, then he IS disputing Contador's time, and thus his win over him. He states that this unfair advantage (two lead motorcycles) is the reason why Contador beat him.

"The reigning Olympic time trial champion doesn’t lose against the clock very often when he’s on form, and Cancellara said he had a pretty good idea of why he lost."

Velonews reporting this now:
Cancellara says motorcycles helped Contador
http://tour-de-france.velonews.com/article/95744/cancellara-says-motorcycles-helped-contador[

incorrect. again.

Garthr 07-24-09 05:45 AM

Fabian should know better than anyone . . . when you wear the Yellow Jersey . . . you get 2 motorcycles in front of you for the TT:)

So, if he wants those 2 moto's in front next year, he's gonna have to go a whole lot faster for the rest of the race to earn a Yellow Jersey this late in the event.:lol:

bellweatherman 07-24-09 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garthr (Post 9343770)
Fabian should know better than anyone . . . when you wear the Yellow Jersey . . . you get 2 motorcycles in front of you for the TT:)

So, if he wants those 2 moto's in front next year, he's gonna have to go a whole lot faster for the rest of the race to earn a Yellow Jersey this late in the event.:lol:



Correct! Maybe they can just change the rule so that all of the riders get one motorcycle. That way, Cancellara doesn't dispute the time of the winning rider. Who knows? Maybe the difference is great over that long of a distance. I think he has a point.

Quel 07-24-09 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellweatherman (Post 9343889)
Correct! Maybe they can just change the rule so that all of the riders get one motorcycle. That way, Cancellara doesn't dispute the time of the winning rider. Who knows? Maybe the difference is great over that long of a distance. I think he has a point.

Safety wise, it makes sense to have two motorcycles for the yellow jersey. The crowd was really close in yesterday. I noticed Lance just taking his line and hoping the idiots jumped out of his way at the last second. Seemed to work out for him but I can see there being an issue.

I imagine there has to be some tested distance for the motorcycles to stay in front to not give the rider a benefit, or at least an estimated distance. Didn't seem like they were ever that close to anyone. So maybe it's enough of a benefit for Fabian to get upset about, but not enough to have any real effect besides that.

botto 07-24-09 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellweatherman (Post 9343889)
Correct! Maybe they can just change the rule so that all of the riders get one motorcycle. That way, Cancellara doesn't dispute the time of the winning rider. Who knows? Maybe the difference is great over that long of a distance. I think he has a point.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...rffacepalm.gif

chipcom 07-24-09 06:45 AM

^^ what Worf said

DigitalRJH 07-24-09 06:46 AM

He should be disputing the cat 3 hill in the middle, if it wasn't there, then he would have won. Going up, he'll lose time, everytime, to AC.

onegear 07-24-09 06:49 AM

the two motorcycles in front of contador could have hurt him if they were too close probably made him inhale twice the amount of carbon monixide than other ricders did, it is a way to cutting off his supply of fresh air needed to excel by a larger margin.

cooker 07-24-09 07:24 AM

He may be disputing it but he's not disputing it.

Walter 07-24-09 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabian Cancellara
But I’ll drink my beer and I’ll be happy."

Doesn't sound real bitter, does he?

Alot of words put into his mouth in this thread.

Maybe I should start looking for a facepalm b/c it's certainly appropriate.

stonecrd 07-24-09 09:21 AM

All I read is a guy who is disappointed he lost making some comments about what he thought might have helped Contador win. I don't think it is whining and he certainly isn't disputing anything, he probably would have loved to be out last and have two bikes in front of him. Have a beer and relax.

DenisMenchov 07-24-09 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walter (Post 9344320)
Doesn't sound real bitter, does he?

Alot of words put into his mouth in this thread.

Maybe I should start looking for a facepalm b/c it's certainly appropriate.

http://fools-gold.org/forum/images/s.../facepalm4.jpg

bellweatherman 07-24-09 09:35 AM

Right. Cancellara was clearly angered by it. The Velonews article said that he had to be calmed down about it. And he also stated that watching the replays on TV, Contador was allowed much closer to the 2 motorbikes than the other riders. So, you can see his reason for being upset thinking he should've won the time trial. Maybe his dispute over Contador's win is valid based on these reasons and if he is right, then perhaps Contador's time would not have been as good. Rule should be changed though to ensure consistency so that all riders only have the same number of vehicles/bikes/etc in front of them.

chipcom 07-24-09 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellweatherman (Post 9345068)
Right. Cancellara was clearly angered by it. The Velonews article said that he had to be calmed down about it. And he also stated that watching the replays on TV, Contador was allowed much closer to the 2 motorbikes than the other riders. So, you can see his reason for being upset thinking he should've won the time trial. Maybe his dispute over Contador's win is valid based on these reasons and if he is right, then perhaps Contador's time would not have been as good. Rule should be changed though to ensure consistency so that all riders only have the same number of vehicles/bikes/etc in front of them.

Wrong. The guy lost the TT by 3 seconds...he vented, just like George vented when he lost the yellow by a few seconds. It's only natural. Please quit making mountains out of molehills like some paparazzi ambulance chaser.

erader 07-24-09 10:11 AM

[QUOTE=rogwilco;9343648]Contador may not have won the stage, but really how much advantage do you think he could have gained? As it stands now he's more than 4 minutes (!) ahead of Andy Schleck...
From what I saw on tv, the motorcycles were fairly far ahead of Contador, maybe that makes a tiny percentage of difference which maybe could add up to a couple seconds or so, but I doubt it's more than that.

I understand Cancellara's frustration after losing the stage by just three seconds, but whining doesn't suit him.[/QUOTE]

on arcalis cancellara's team mate aschleck whined that contador drafted the motocycles.

thor whined that he was blocked by cavendish.

cavendish whined that the green jersey was tainted.

hincapie whined that the peloton should have slowed down so he could win yellow.

cadel whined that his breakaway mates forced him to go back to the main goup.

lance, levi and bruneel whined that contador wasn't following "the plan".

do you see what all these whiners have in common :thumb:?

ed rader

chipcom 07-24-09 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erader (Post 9345387)

do you see what all these whiners have in common :thumb:?

Yes, that they are all current or former competitive cyclists who have actually competed in the TDF, rather than monday morning quarterbacks stirring up horsepucky on da intrawebz.


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