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    Lets talk about Cavendish

    He's going to win 6 stages of the 2009 Tour de France, and today's was a truly stunning ride - showing unexpected ability to get over the climb, and then immense power to start his sprint from 400m out and holding off everyone.

    Freddy Maertens was the last person to win 6 stages in the Tour, 28 years ago in 1981. What Cavendish is doing as a sprinter might be even more impressive than Contador's domination, Lance's performance as a 37 year old or anything else people have been talking about.

    Yeah, he runs his mouth too much. Yeah "Manx Missile" is a horrible nickname. Yeah, he's not going to win the green jersey. All that aside, he's having one of the great all time TdF rides.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vadimivich View Post
    He's going to win 6 stages of the 2009 Tour de France, and today's was a truly stunning ride - showing unexpected ability to get over the climb, and then immense power to start his sprint from 400m out and holding off everyone.

    Freddy Maertens was the last person to win 6 stages in the Tour, 28 years ago in 1981. What Cavendish is doing as a sprinter might be even more impressive than Contador's domination, Lance's performance as a 37 year old or anything else people have been talking about.

    Yeah, he runs his mouth too much. Yeah "Manx Missile" is a horrible nickname. Yeah, he's not going to win the green jersey. All that aside, he's having one of the great all time TdF rides.

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    lets say cavendish wins his sixth stage and contador wins the tour.

    no doubt a great feat for cavendish and i think he's shown that he doesn't win just because of a superior leadout. whether you like to guy or hate him he is the fastest.

    now let's look at contador. if he wins in paris it'll be his fourth GT win, and he's 26. who was the last guy to do that?



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    Oh, I agree (and have said many times) that Contador has a chance to go down as one of the all time greats - he's just so good, so young.

    I just meant in the context of this Tour alone, Contador and Armstrong have dominated the discussion and coverage, but Cavendish is having a truly remarkable ride as well and that seems to be flying under the radar a bit (and not just in the US). 6 stage wins will be ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erader View Post
    lets say cavendish wins his sixth stage and contador wins the tour.

    no doubt a great feat for cavendish and i think he's shown that he doesn't win just because of a superior leadout. whether you like to guy or hate him he is the fastest.

    now let's look at contador.
    if he wins in paris it'll be his fourth GT win in a row, and he's 26. who was the last guy to do that?

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    a guy born with the name of gunderson won 7 GTs in a row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vadimivich View Post
    Oh, I agree (and have said many times) that Contador has a chance to go down as one of the all time greats - he's just so good, so young.

    I just meant in the context of this Tour alone, Contador and Armstrong have dominated the discussion and coverage, but Cavendish is having a truly remarkable ride as well and that seems to be flying under the radar a bit (and not just in the US). 6 stage wins will be ridiculous.
    a couple of weeks ago it was mark cavendish 24/7. the reason neither of these champs are getting their full props is because of disbelief, disdain and denial........winning races cures all that .

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    a guy born with the name of gunderson won 7 GTs in a row.
    which? and how old was he after the fourth win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erader View Post
    which? and how old was he after the fourth win?

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    is this about age, or winning consecutive GTs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    is this about age, or winning consecutive GTs?
    it's about both. my point was cav and contador are both very young which makes the number of wins -- as well as quality of wins -- even that much more special.

    with contador you have to factor in that two of the wins -- if he wins this year in paris -- will be TDF wins. also with AC he is one of five cyclists to win all three GTs even before this race.

    edit: i've edited this post too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erader View Post
    lets say cavendish wins his sixth stage and contador wins the tour.

    no doubt a great feat for cavendish and i think he's shown that he doesn't win just because of a superior leadout. whether you like to guy or hate him he is the fastest.

    now let's look at contador. if he wins in paris it'll be his fourth GT win in a row, and he's 26. who was the last guy to do that?



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    Ed I think you are missing something here. You can't take races off and win 4 in a row. I do imagine there was a 2007 Veulta, a 2008 TDF and a 2009 Giro. Seems like he is slacking. His achievements are great no doubt but the way you spin it, you might as well be working for a political party.

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    Cavendish is good, but I was hoping Farrar would get at least one stage this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    a guy born with the name of gunderson won 7 GTs in a row.
    Lance Armstrong (born Lance Edward Gunderson on September 18, 1971) is an American professional road racing cyclist who rides for the Kazakhstan-based UCI ProTeam Astana. He won the Tour de France a record-breaking seven consecutive years, from 1999...

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    Quote Originally Posted by julian View Post
    2007 TDF
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    Ed I think you are missing something here. You can't take races off and win 4 in a row. I do imagine there was a 2007 Veulta, a 2008 TDF and a 2009 Giro. Seems like he is slacking. His achievements are great no doubt but the way you spin it, you might as well be working for a political party.
    i meant four in a row that he contested, and i've edited that part out of my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratfish View Post
    Cavendish is good, but I was hoping Farrar would get at least one stage this year.
    i'll be pulling for farrar on the champs......

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    Quote Originally Posted by julian View Post
    Lance Armstrong (born Lance Edward Gunderson on September 18, 1971) is an American professional road racing cyclist who rides for the Kazakhstan-based UCI ProTeam Astana. He won the Tour de France a record-breaking seven consecutive years, from 1999...
    congratulations.

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    Yeah, he wins and wins, but for some reason I'm grow tired of the repetition of it. It's like "Goundhog Day" over and over.

    It's nothing personal about Cav . . . I felt the same way when Boonen was dominating . . .or Ale-Jet . . or even Mario. It's the only part of the sport I really don't like too much.

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    I really like Cav, he inspires me. I generally don't mind his immature attitude because he seems to show so much respect for his team and can back it up with his legs. That being said I was disgusted by what he said to Thor and was happy to see Thor teach the kid a lesson.

    As far as Cav not pulling off the green jersey, I don't think it's a big deal. I remember him saying in an interview earlier this year something along the lines of "I'm not mature enough yet to get it"; he apparently was right.

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    So uh what'd he say to Thor?

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    Cavendish is 3 hours behind the yellow jersey. I just wonder if someone like Contador (or any other GC contendor) would beat him on stages like today if he was fresh because he didn't even compete in other stages. It kind of limits your competition. Just not a real fan of the green/polka jerseys as anything but filler on boring stages like today. Fun to watch, but not that impressive to me.

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    As good as Cavendish is, he can't make those goofy sunglasses look cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratfish View Post
    As good as Cavendish is, he can't make those goofy sunglasses look cool.
    Like Mario could? Whatever he wore, he always looked cool.



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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    congratulations.
    got me....and i knew his name was gunderson !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratfish View Post
    So uh what'd he say to Thor?
    Don't quote me but something along the lines of "I hope you can sleep at night because that green jersey is stained". Then Thor promptly checked the little *******.

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    To me Cav is like that friend we all have and love where you're at a bar or on a group and he's just running his mouth and you turn to him and say "look dude, serously... seriously, shut the **** up."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quel View Post
    Cavendish is 3 hours behind the yellow jersey. I just wonder if someone like Contador (or any other GC contendor) would beat him on stages like today if he was fresh because he didn't even compete in other stages. It kind of limits your competition. Just not a real fan of the green/polka jerseys as anything but filler on boring stages like today. Fun to watch, but not that impressive to me.
    i wonder if someone like contador could beat cav at milan san remo ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quel View Post
    Cavendish is 3 hours behind the yellow jersey. I just wonder if someone like Contador (or any other GC contendor) would beat him on stages like today if he was fresh because he didn't even compete in other stages. It kind of limits your competition. Just not a real fan of the green/polka jerseys as anything but filler on boring stages like today. Fun to watch, but not that impressive to me.
    Just because he is 3 hours behind doesn't mean he didn't have to work hard to drag his sprinter ass over the mountains...

    Cav at the end of the tour would still beat a fresh Contador in a sprint and Contador at the end of the tour would still beat a fresh Cav up a climb, it's just how they are built.

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