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    l'Alpe d'Huez ITT
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    stage 16 L'ALPE D'HUEZ

    i know it a week away. but how exciting is it that the tour pick L'ALPE D'HUEZ for a time trial. man i am almost thinking about calling in sick that day if my buddy would let me watch it at his house. think Mayo can gain any time he loss. he won the stage last year climbing up this mountain. ullrich, i heard spent the last year training in the Alps can he win. or is lance going to pull it off.

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    Does anyone know when was the last time that it rained at l'Alpe d'Huez on a Tour stage?

    Here are the start times of the last riders, in case anyone wants to know:

    029 SEVILLA Oscar (ESP, PHO) 16:16:00
    144 GOUBERT Stephane (FRA, A2R) 16:18:00
    075 KARPETS Vladimir (RUS, IBB) 16:20:00
    162 CASAR Sandy (FRA, FDJ) 16:22:00
    141 BROCHARD Laurent (FRA, A2R) 16:24:00
    009 RUBIERA José Luis (ESP, USP) 16:26:00
    101 VIRENQUE Richard (FRA, QSD) 16:28:00
    051 MOREAU Christophe (FRA, C.A) 16:30:00
    158 RASMUSSEN Mickael (DEN, RAB) 16:32:00
    027 PEREIRO SIO Oscar (ESP, PHO) 16:34:00
    171 SIMONI Gilberto (ITA, SAE) 16:36:00
    067 SASTRE Carlos (ESP, CSC) 16:38:00
    151 LEIPHEIMER Levi (USA, RAB) 16:40:00
    134 CAUCCHIOLI Pietro (ITA, ALB) 16:42:00
    129 VOECKLER Thomas (FRA, BLB) 16:44:00
    081 TOTSCHNIG Georg (AUT, GST) 16:46:00
    002 AZEVEDO José (POR, USP) 16:48:00
    011 ULLRICH Jan (GER, TMO) 1600
    071 MANCEBO Francisco (ESP, IBB) 16:52:00
    017 KLÖDEN Andréas (GER, TMO) 16:54:00
    061 BASSO Ivan (ITA, CSC) 16:56:00
    001 ARMSTRONG Lance (USA, USP) 16:58:00

    So the last starters will go just before 11AM Eastern, I'm pretty sure.

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    I enjoy watching time trials, but when it gets right down to it I prefer getting to see Lance go mano a mano with someone in the mountains, especially Alpe de Huez. It will be super if he picks up time, which I am sure he will, but it's just not as exciting.
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    Any bets on how long into the race before Azevedo passes Voeckler? (4 minutes lead)
    Sometimes you just let the rabbits run, but sometimes you gotta let the dogs run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChipRGW
    Any bets on how long into the race before Azevedo passes Voeckler? (4 minutes lead)
    The entire stage is only 9.6 miles long, not much longer than a prologue. I suspect the gaps aren't going to be huge tomorrow, especially amongst the leaders. A rider can blow himself out in a 15k effort and still expect to recover ok for the next day. Voeckler will be trying not to lose any time to his White Jersey competitors, so he will try to go pretty hard.

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    Is OLNTV showing all of the time trials?

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    I'm pretty sure it'll be on OLN tomorrow morning.

    Edit: they start coverage at 8:30am EST, so we'll see however many fit into that time slot I'm sure.

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    Yeah Tweht it was a mistake, was looking in the TV guide and looked at the wrong times

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    Will Basso lead if he wins this stahe 16 ?

    I wonder....


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    what is going on with the team cars? does anyone know?
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    They must be starting the first 100+ riders at only 1:00 intervals, right? I noticed that the start time for this stage is 2 hrs later than for the flat TT, but the finish times are scheduled to be the same...

    What!? Only one intermediate time check?

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    http://www.gsoto.easynet.co.uk/fr_ride1.htm


    This guy rode his bike up the A'lpe....

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    Great read Smoothie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aluckyfiji
    what is going on with the team cars? does anyone know?
    I think that I remember that during ITT riders are not alowed to receive any help from their cars or other riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ1960
    I think that I remember that during ITT riders are not alowed to receive any help from their cars or other riders.
    The team car is right behind the rider and can provide all the same assistance it normally would - drinks, wheels, new bike, etc.
    If it ain't broke, mess with it anyway!

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    He is wondering where they are going to go, as there is only one road up. Thats why the climb always comes at the end of the stage. I have read that there is an unimproved road, like a cattle path down the other side, but that is all.

    maybe they will just have neutral support motorcycles? but one for each rider, there will be 30 on the course at one time.

    Interesting to see how this plays out, I actually started a thread about this problem when the route was announced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rygreen
    They must be starting the first 100+ riders at only 1:00 intervals, right? I noticed that the start time for this stage is 2 hrs later than for the flat TT, but the finish times are scheduled to be the same...

    What!? Only one intermediate time check?
    Yes, the first 140 riders or so (check on the official site) have 1min intervals.
    One time check because its only 15km...

    Hopefully this won't be a mess, possibly for reasons that Smoothie104 pointed out

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainmanP
    The team car is right behind the rider and can provide all the same assistance it normally would - drinks, wheels, new bike, etc.

    UCI rule 2.3.027 also known as the 20K rule.

    "There shall be no refreshments on hill climbs or descents, or during the first 50 or last 20km."

    I know the 20k rule is standard, but the hill climb/descent means a race that is nothing but a hill climb correct? I swear I've seen guys get handups during a climb, as long as its not within the last 20K


    The section under time trials doesnt specify, but this is technically a hill climb and less than 20K, but then again, I doubt anyone will need food or drink, at least not more than the bottle on the bike, if they choose to start with one.

    Lance bonked on the Joux Plane in 2000 because he skipped a feed zone, and was not allowed to recieve any hand-ups from the team car in the last 20K.

    Same reason he dehydrated himself so badly in the TT last year, I believe

    I also read that you can crash out of the prolouge, and not finish, yet start the race the next day, and be given the slowest riders time.

    It should be noted that during the World Championships, Rule 2.3.028 states that all food and drink must be handed out in the feed zone only, no passing from cars to riders at all.

    Fascinating stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothie104
    UCI rule 2.3.027 also known as the 20K rule.

    "There shall be no refreshments on hill climbs or descents, or during the first 50 or last 20km."

    I know the 20k rule is standard, but the hill climb/descent means a race that is nothing but a hill climb correct? I swear I've seen guys get handups during a climb, as long as its not within the last 20K


    The section under time trials doesnt specify, but this is technically a hill climb and less than 20K, but then again, I doubt anyone will need food or drink, at least not more than the bottle on the bike, if they choose to start with one.

    Lance bonked on the Joux Plane in 2000 because he skipped a feed zone, and was not allowed to recieve any hand-ups from the team car in the last 20K.

    Same reason he dehydrated himself so badly in the TT last year, I believe

    I also read that you can crash out of the prolouge, and not finish, yet start the race the next day, and be given the slowest riders time.

    It should be noted that during the World Championships, Rule 2.3.028 states that all food and drink must be handed out in the feed zone only, no passing from cars to riders at all.

    Fascinating stuff.
    Are we going to see small front wheels tommorrow?

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    For some reason, this ITT doesnt seem that exciting to me now that there is only one person close to Lance. I was hoping Mayo would still be in it and be within 45sec of Lance, that would have been great to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gustaf
    For some reason, this ITT doesnt seem that exciting to me now that there is only one person close to Lance. I was hoping Mayo would still be in it and be within 45sec of Lance, that would have been great to see.

    Me too!

    There is always next year!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gustaf
    For some reason, this ITT doesnt seem that exciting to me now that there is only one person close to Lance. I was hoping Mayo would still be in it and be within 45sec of Lance, that would have been great to see.
    Unfortunately, Mayo would have been fortunate to have been within 45 minutes of Lance.

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