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    Contador is a class act

    Despite all the flack that the English-speaking media is giving him, Contador is a great champion. He is also a great sportsman and showed it today.

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    Watching Alberto match up with the Schleck boys in the coming years will be interesting for sure.

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    He may or may not be. Its easy to be a sportsman when the race is in the bag. I tend to look how they react when its not and well, lets face it this tour he has had some questionable moves.

    Not taking a thing away from him and his abilities, hes the best on the planet right now, no question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunSwingsLow View Post
    He may or may not be. Its easy to be a sportsman when the race is in the bag. I tend to look how they react when its not and well, lets face it this tour he has had some questionable moves.

    Not taking a thing away from him and his abilities, hes the best on the planet right now, no question.
    i agree. contador could have easily taken today's stage. his only competition was andy schleck who spent his bullets attacking.

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    Contador acted as "patron" of the peleton today for the first time - just another step in his growth as a great champion.

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    If Contador took off and tried to win the stage today, everyone would have let him go. Many people were picking Contador to win the stage; even some Astana teammates (see Levi's blog).

    Instead, he spent the whole day pulling Armstrong up to Andy or countering Andy's moves to let Armstrong catch back up. Without Contador's help, Armstrong could easily have lost his podium spot.

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    The only problem with you logic is he wasn't fighting Andy for third place.

    LA did well for himself today, but AC held back just to make everything was square. I wish he would have flown the coup and won the stage. He will regret that.

    Maybe he is going to Radioshack afterall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post
    If Contador took off and tried to win the stage today, everyone would have let him go. Many people were picking Contador to win the stage; even some Astana teammates (see Levi's blog).

    Instead, he spent the whole day pulling Armstrong up to Andy or countering Andy's moves to let Armstrong catch back up. Without Contador's help, Armstrong could easily have lost his podium spot.

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    If someone would tell him that the ****** shot salute is cheesy to the point of being painful to watch.

    Apperantly gifting stage 18 to the Schlecks after they did all the work dropping KlOden. Yeah, magnanimous.

    Yes, he can ride, but I'm not much of a fan.

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    Give the kid a break for pete's sake. He is trying to win a race not run a day care center. He discussed the attack with Kloden, so I doubt Kloden has any problems with what he did. I am sure he feels badly about dropping Kloden, and putting more time on Lance, but this is a race not a no drop group ride.

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    If someone would tell him that the ****** shot salute is cheesy to the point of being painful to watch.

    Apperantly gifting stage 18 to the Schlecks after they did all the work dropping KlOden. Yeah, magnanimous.

    Yes, he can ride, but I'm not much of a fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reef58 View Post
    Give the kid a break for pete's sake. He is trying to win a race not run a day care center. He discussed the attack with Kloden, so I doubt Kloden has any problems with what he did. I am sure he feels badly about dropping Kloden, and putting more time on Lance, but this is a race not a no drop group ride.

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    The best reply yet. Good job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vadimivich View Post
    Contador acted as "patron" of the peleton today for the first time - just another step in his growth as a great champion.
    contador will have four GT wins at age 26. he was on his way to being a great champion waaaay sooner than you want to give him credit for .

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    Quote Originally Posted by reef58 View Post
    The only problem with you logic is he wasn't fighting Andy for third place.

    LA did well for himself today, but AC held back just to make everything was square. I wish he would have flown the coup and won the stage. He will regret that.

    Maybe he is going to Radioshack afterall.

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    i suspect you are right. lance regretted gifting ventoux to pantani.

    "no gifts".

    i guess that only applies to giving, not receiving.

    what a boring, politically correct stage.

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    I think the problem with some people and Contador is they want him to micro manage every kilometer of a race like Lance did. I don't think that is how AC operates. He wants to race. Here is a stroy I am stealing from running back John Riggins. I think his high school or college coach told him this to motivate him. The response from Riggins is AC like to me.

    Coach says John if you want to win you have to be like player A. Player A always gets plenty of rest while player B is out partying and having a good time. Player A always eats properly while player B is eating pizza and drinking beer. Player A trains properly and understands the entire field. Player B is hitting on girls. Then during the race at the finish line player A stretches to nose player B at this line. Riggins replies that player B sure is talented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reef58 View Post
    I think the problem with some people and Contador is they want him to micro manage every kilometer of a race like Lance did. I don't think that is how AC operates. He wants to race. Here is a stroy I am stealing from running back John Riggins. I think his high school or college coach told him this to motivate him. The response from Riggins is AC like to me.

    Coach says John if you want to win you have to be like player A. Player A always gets plenty of rest while player B is out partying and having a good time. Player A always eats properly while player B is eating pizza and drinking beer. Player A trains properly and understands the entire field. Player B is hitting on girls. Then during the race at the finish line player A stretches to nose player B at this line. Riggins replies that player B sure is talented.

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    have we seen any celebrating from team astana? do they mob alberto like columbia does cav after a stage win? hell no. many of the astana guys will be getting their checks signed by lance next year. even horner has badmouthed contador.

    i've never seen a situation where the yellow jersey was so maligned by his own team.

    contador should have fired the ****** today atop ventoux.

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    Contador was great today. You can't keep firing bullets day after day durng a GT. You also have to play the team game. He deserves this victory and I congratulate him. Far and away the best rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erader View Post
    have we seen any celebrating from team astana? do they mob alberto like columbia does cav after a stage win? hell no. many of the astana guys will be getting their checks signed by lance next year. even horner has badmouthed contador.

    i've never seen a situation where the yellow jersey was so maligned by his own team.

    contador should have fired the ****** today atop ventoux.

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    Yes.

    Lance should have sucked it up and threw all of his support behind AC. That would have been true team leadership. They had the yellow jersey, the most dominant rider in the race, but they were bent because AC wasn't following their "team" tactics. Tactics that weren't the best strategy for AC to dominate the race. Contador should have had well over a 5 minute lead going into the ITT. But he'd been reigned in on the pyrenees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erader View Post
    i suspect you are right. lance regretted gifting ventoux to pantani.

    "no gifts".

    i guess that only applies to giving, not receiving.

    what a boring, politically correct stage.

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    That was a whole different ballgame. Did Armstrong have a team mate to protect that year from slipping off the podium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrionKhan View Post
    Yes.

    Lance should have sucked it up and threw all of his support behind AC. That would have been true team leadership. They had the yellow jersey, the most dominant rider in the race, but they were bent because AC wasn't following their "team" tactics. Tactics that weren't the best strategy for AC to dominate the race. Contador should have had well over a 5 minute lead going into the ITT. But he'd been reigned in on the pyrenees.
    His team did a heck of a lot more to support him day after day than it did to hold him back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erader View Post
    i suspect you are right. lance regretted gifting ventoux to pantani.

    "no gifts".

    i guess that only applies to giving, not receiving.

    what a boring, politically correct stage.

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    Unfortunately, I'm at work so I've only been able to follow the race on the Velonews feed, rather than actually watching it on Versus, but it appears that Contador did a good job towards getting the maximum possible finish for Astana, him in first, Lance in third.

    So what's the problem with that? I always thought that's how cycling teams were supposed to operate?

    And it certainly wasn't boring. If I could find lines of type on a screen exciting, the stage wasn't boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sykerocker View Post
    Unfortunately, I'm at work so I've only been able to follow the race on the Velonews feed, rather than actually watching it on Versus, but it appears that Contador did a good job towards getting the maximum possible finish for Astana, him in first, Lance in third.

    So what's the problem with that? I always thought that's how cycling teams were supposed to operate?

    And it certainly wasn't boring. If I could find lines of type on a screen exciting, the stage wasn't boring.
    Because Ed hates Armstrong. It is all about Contador.

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    I think if Contador was from Texas this thread would not even exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sykerocker View Post
    Unfortunately, I'm at work so I've only been able to follow the race on the Velonews feed, rather than actually watching it on Versus, but it appears that Contador did a good job towards getting the maximum possible finish for Astana, him in first, Lance in third.

    So what's the problem with that? I always thought that's how cycling teams were supposed to operate?

    And it certainly wasn't boring. If I could find lines of type on a screen exciting, the stage wasn't boring.
    how would winning the stage affect the third podium spot? armstrong was racing for third and he was clearly stronger than wiggins or frank schleck. wiggins was barely hanging on and armstrong easily handled frank schleck.

    since when has a stage win on a finish like ventoux been a bad thing for the yellow jersey on the penultimate stage of the tour de france?

    only in 2009.......

    like you said, you haven't seen the race yet........................

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    Quote Originally Posted by julian View Post
    Because Ed hates Armstrong. It is all about Contador.
    no, i dislike armstrong who talks out of both sides of his mouth and has used this TDF to serve his own purposes. i don't hate the guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julian View Post
    That was a whole different ballgame. Did Armstrong have a team mate to protect that year from slipping off the podium?
    you probably don't know anything about that race i'm sure.

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