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Old 07-26-09, 06:19 AM   #1
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Most disastrous: Cadel Evans. A terrible TTT, abandoned by his team after his outburst, gave up on the mountains ... a disastrous TdF for the irascible Australian.

Luckiest winner (in 2008): Carlos Sastre. LA was right in a way, I guess - TdF 2008 was a fluke to some. Sastre was a one-note rider who got lucky in a break. But with the full Astana in force, and the Schlecks no longer supporting him, Sastre reveals his true level.

Most improved: Bradley Wiggins no doubt. Amazing improvement climbing.

Most inspiring: Beppu & Arashiro. The first Asians to complete the TdF I believe.
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While Sastre showed in this Tour that last year's may have been luck, I think Vande Velde showed that his 4th last year was no fluke. To finish 8th after such a serious injury only a couple of months prior is pretty impressive. I'm really curious to see how he would have done this year had he been able to fully prepare.
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Most inspiring: Beppu & Arashiro. The first Asians to complete the TdF I believe.
I don't think this is true?? Vinokourov is Asian. I'm sure many asians have completed Le Tour.
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I don't think this is true?? Vinokourov is Asian. I'm sure many asians have completed Le Tour.
He's more Central Asian, and I won't take that as Asian. I don't think any Chinese, Indian, Korean, or South East Asians have ever taken part in TdF.
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Most disastrous: Cadel Evans. A terrible TTT, abandoned by his team after his outburst, gave up on the mountains ... a disastrous TdF for the irascible Australian.

Luckiest winner (in 2008): Carlos Sastre. LA was right in a way, I guess - TdF 2008 was a fluke to some. Sastre was a one-note rider who got lucky in a break. But with the full Astana in force, and the Schlecks no longer supporting him, Sastre reveals his true level.


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I don't think this is true?? Vinokourov is Asian. I'm sure many asians have completed Le Tour.
I think he means ethnically asian, not geographically. Vinokurov appears to be of caucasian stock. If he has asian blood in him, it's hiding well.
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incorrect.

You're not Asian. Ask anyone in the Asia-Pacific if a Kazakh or Turkmen is Asian and you'll get a no. Anthropologically, of course, they are. But as Proximo pointed out, they're more of Caucasian stock and physicality.

And seriously, speak a word to make your point. Do you have difficulties typing or is facepalm the only response you have toe everything?

Grow up.
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If you are born in Asia, then you are asian. You are confusing Asian with the stereotypical 'asian' term used to describe people from the Mongoloid race or Oriental culture.

Yes Beppu & Arashiro are the first Japanese people to complete the tour but not the first Asian.
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Its kinda like saying that if you have to be black to be an African. White people born in Africa are still Africans.
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You're not Asian. Ask anyone in the Asia-Pacific if a Kazakh or Turkmen is Asian and you'll get a no. Anthropologically, of course, they are. But as Proximo pointed out, they're more of Caucasian stock and physicality.

And seriously, speak a word to make your point. Do you have difficulties typing or is facepalm the only response you have toe everything?

Grow up.
geography isn't your strong suit, is it?
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Its kinda like saying that if you have to be black to be an African. White people born in Africa are still Africans.
Africa is relatively isolated a continent as opposed to the whole of Central Asia. My friends from Asia and I don't see Central Asian riders as Asian, and neither do most Asians. Its not scientifically accurate, as you pointed out, and its more about skin color and physical attributes. You're right - I definitely inch more towards the Orient side, and for good reason too. Consider the context: The TdF is a physical event, and it has been argued by some that Asians are weaker physically when it comes to endurance events. Not so the Central Asians. So when I see Asians of Orient roots compelting the race, I am impressed. Its a matter of ethnic pride, in a way. I'd have preferred a Chinese rider to a Japanese rider, of course, but hey - they're good enough for now.
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I understand your pride and their feat is incredible. However you still are incorrect in not calling Central Asian riders Asian. You are confusing the Mongoloid Race with any people group born on a continent. I spent time in Russia along the border of Europe and Asia and they made a difference between those who were european and those who were asian although they both were white russians. You need to broaden your perspective.
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If you are born in Asia, then you are asian. You are confusing Asian with the stereotypical 'asian' term used to describe people from the Mongoloid race or Oriental culture.

Yes Beppu & Arashiro are the first Japanese people to complete the tour but not the first Asian.
Since when was Japan considered not part of Asia? Has continental drift pushed Japan into the Americas?
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I understand your pride and their feat is incredible. However you still are incorrect in not calling Central Asian riders Asian. You are confusing the Mongoloid Race with any people group born on a continent. I spent time in Russia along the border of Europe and Asia and they made a difference between those who were european and those who were asian although they both were white russians. You need to broaden your perspective.
True, but like I said, remember the context. I'm not using the term Asian in a vacuum - I mean it in a physical, sporting sense. The Central Asians are far stronger than Oriental Asians physically, and are almost like Caucasians in that respect. Going by the continental argument, then Russians are arguably Asians as well, but that line of argument is pointless when we're talking about physical strength.

My point is that the TdF is one of the toughest, if not the toughest, sporting event in the world. For an Asian who's of the branch typically regarded as physically weaker i.e. the Orients, completing the race is a feat. If all Asians were as strong as the Central Asians, then of course I won't mention this at all. Please try to understand this from our perspective, as 'Asians'. You're clearly seeing this very scientifically (and correctly, I might add), but unfortunately that's missing the point in this case. I don't want to use the term 'yellow-skinned'.
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most disastrous: Cadel evans. A terrible ttt, abandoned by his team after his outburst, gave up on the mountains ... A disastrous tdf for the irascible australian.

luckiest winner (in 2008): Carlos sastre. La was right in a way, i guess - tdf 2008 was a fluke to some. Sastre was a one-note rider who got lucky in a break. but with the full astana in force, and the schlecks no longer supporting him, sastre reveals his true level.

Most improved: Bradley wiggins no doubt. Amazing improvement climbing.

Most inspiring: Beppu & arashiro. The first asians to complete the tdf i believe.
wtf!?
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Africa is relatively isolated a continent as opposed to the whole of Central Asia. My friends from Asia and I don't see Central Asian riders as Asian
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and neither do most Asians. Its not scientifically accurate, as you pointed out, and its more about skin color and physical attributes. You're right - I definitely inch more towards the Orient side, and for good reason too. Consider the context: The TdF is a physical event, and it has been argued by some that Asians are weaker physically when it comes to endurance events. Not so the Central Asians. So when I see Asians of Orient roots compelting the race, I am impressed. Its a matter of ethnic pride, in a way. I'd have preferred a Chinese rider to a Japanese rider, of course, but hey - they're good enough for now.
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come on guys, just say they were the first yellow people to complete the tour. that should end any possible arguments over race, right?
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Most disastrous: Cadel Evans. A terrible TTT, abandoned by his team after his outburst, gave up on the mountains ... a disastrous TdF for the irascible Australian.

Luckiest winner (in 2008): Carlos Sastre. LA was right in a way, I guess - TdF 2008 was a fluke to some. Sastre was a one-note rider who got lucky in a break. But with the full Astana in force, and the Schlecks no longer supporting him, Sastre reveals his true level.

Most improved: Bradley Wiggins no doubt. Amazing improvement climbing.

Most inspiring: Beppu & Arashiro. The first Asians to complete the TdF I believe.
Boonen gave Cadel a run for the most disastrous title.
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you, and your bigoted friends, are still incorrect.



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Are you Asian? Or are you going to label all Asian Pacific people bigots? What are you, the resident scholar? Learn to write a complete paragraph, for God's sake.
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come on guys, just say they were the first yellow people to complete the tour. that should end any possible arguments over race, right?
That would be the most accurate label, but if I said that, it could be deemed racist by, well, yellow-skinned people. But of course, certain white people won't have a problem with it, because they see all Asians as alike.
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Are you Asian?
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Or are you going to label all Asian Pacific people bigots?
at the moment just you and your "friends."

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Beppu & Arashiro were the first Japanese to complete the Tour. They were not the first Japanese to start the tour.

Beppu was part of a kick-ass lead around the Champs today. I bet his family, friends, teammates and countrymen (not to mention sponsors) were rightfully proud of that.

If someone is of Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese or any other that feels a connection to the Japanese and they feel some pride in what Beppu and Arashiro did the past three weeks then that is great, too. I have a German friend who grew up in Japan and he was excited that these two guys were in the race because of his connection to the country.
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at the moment just you and your "friends."



compared to you? yes.



Look, resident Wind Up Merchant, you barely contribute to any thread, and you seem to enjoy plastering your FPs all over mine. This is getting ridiculous - If you want to make a point, do as you would in a real argument. State your case, make your stand. Can't you even do that? What IS wrong with you.
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Look, resident Wind Up Merchant, you barely contribute to any thread, and you seem to enjoy plastering your FPs all over mine. This is getting ridiculous - If you want to make a point, do as you would in a real argument. State your case, make your stand. Can't you even do that? What IS wrong with you.
i already have. duh.
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Tom Boonen was a big dissapointment to me. With all the drama just to make the start then he lays an egg.
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