Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 66
  1. #1
    Senior Member tradtimbo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Monterey, California
    My Bikes
    1982 Fuji Team, 1979 Raleigh Team Record, 1984 Raleigh Team USA, Japanese Raleigh Super Course, 2000 LeMond Buenos Aires, 90's Schwinn High Plains, 1978? Austro Daimler Inter 10
    Posts
    547
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    California & Giro both in May!

    I just read the LA Times article here:

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...0,312723.story

    I didn't realize that now the Tour of California and the Giro are both in May! It sounds like the top Americans will be at California, but that means no top Americans in the Giro! I wonder how Italy feels about this....

    It will definitely be nice to see a finish in the High Sierras!
    Can anyone give me a ride from Monterey to Big Bear on Wednesday or Thursday?

    The Sustainable Cyclist

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    450
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Wow, does that mean the Tour of California is raising its profile against the Giro intentionally? Or is it to avoid the snow?

  3. #3
    Cat 3 Meter - Don't Care fauxto nick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    3,892
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Way to go TOC, way to go.

    Glad I went out last year to see it in person because I doubt this year will be as star studded.

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    10,369
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by monosierra View Post
    Wow, does that mean the Tour of California is raising its profile against the Giro intentionally? Or is it to avoid the snow?
    Large parts of the last 2 years of the Tour of California were ruined by bad weather. The weather is much better in California in May. No rain along the coast and some of the Sierra Nevada will be clear of snow.

  5. #5
    Cat 3 Meter - Don't Care fauxto nick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    3,892
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post
    Large parts of the last 2 years of the Tour of California were ruined by bad weather. The weather is much better in California in May. No rain along the coast and some of California will be clear of high profile racers.
    Fixed.

  6. #6
    Up on the Down Side CyLowe97's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Chicago(ish)
    Posts
    6,327
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    So now Levi has a good excuse for not winning the Giro.


  7. #7
    Senior Member erader's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    silicon valley
    Posts
    1,774
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by monosierra View Post
    Wow, does that mean the Tour of California is raising its profile against the Giro intentionally? Or is it to avoid the snow?
    it means the ATOC peaked last year in popularity and is now in decline. lance said he would ride the ATOC next year with his new team.

    i doubt the euros will come to the u.s. in these tight fiscal times while they have options nearer to home.

    it was fun while it lasted .

    ed rader
    Amgen Tour of California

    http://erader.zenfolio.com/f561244030

  8. #8
    Senior Member erader's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    silicon valley
    Posts
    1,774
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by CyLowe97 View Post
    So now Levi has a good excuse for not winning the Giro.

    levi won't have to peak at the beginning of the year so that may be good for him. but he'll also be 36 years old which means to me he'll never win a GT.

    ed rader
    Amgen Tour of California

    http://erader.zenfolio.com/f561244030

  9. #9
    Senior Member erader's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    silicon valley
    Posts
    1,774
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post
    Large parts of the last 2 years of the Tour of California were ruined by bad weather. The weather is much better in California in May. No rain along the coast and some of the Sierra Nevada will be clear of snow.
    the flip side is the ATOC was popular because it was an early season race. next year it will be in the thick of the season when the big guys are seriously training for the TDF.

    it was fun while it lasted!

    ed rader
    Amgen Tour of California

    http://erader.zenfolio.com/f561244030

  10. #10
    lead on macduff!
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    south park-san diego, ca
    My Bikes
    2002 Coppi KSC Plane-1986 Masi 3Volumetrica-1985 Pinarello Treviso
    Posts
    1,780
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    it will definitely attract bigger crowds in may versus february. as to a lack
    of "quality" americans riding the giro, this year was an aberration. the giro
    has historically been generally bereft of american riders-more so than
    the tour or vuelta. the toc probably won't get the international depth &
    breadth it enjoyed this year because it is not only going head to head
    with the giro but indirectly with the tdf tune-up races dauphine libere
    & tour of switzerland.

    course-wise, it should be more exciting with some
    sierra flavor at the expense of the central valley stages (likely too hot)
    and possibly another coastal stage in the south (south bay, oc, san diego).
    if the toc can avoid long transfers, dangerous finishing circuits, questionable
    lodging and the other kind of things that occasionally pop up at other stage
    races, it could gain a reputation as the best supported/planned race in early
    summer. That would count for something and may eventually sway more
    european riders after a couple of years. a benefit of going head to head with the
    giro may be seeing more of the younger riders. they may not (in their team's eyes)
    be ready for a three week tour but many will be itching to prove it.

  11. #11
    Packfodding 3 caloso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Sacramento, California, USA
    My Bikes
    Ridley Excalibur, Gazelle Champion Mondial, On-One Pompino, Specialized Rock Hopper
    Posts
    29,654
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by erader View Post
    it means the ATOC peaked last year in popularity and is now in decline. lance said he would ride the ATOC next year with his new team.

    i doubt the euros will come to the u.s. in these tight fiscal times while they have options nearer to home.

    it was fun while it lasted .

    ed rader
    I had a front row seat when Boonen outsprinted Cavendish, Ciolek, and Petacchi here in Sacramento two years ago. I'll take QuickStep in the rain over Jittery Joes in the sun. No disrespect to the NRC teams, but I can go down to Redlands or Sea Otter to see them.
    Cyclists of the world, unite! You have nothing to lube but your chains!

  12. #12
    Senior Member erader's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    silicon valley
    Posts
    1,774
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    I had a front row seat when Boonen outsprinted Cavendish, Ciolek, and Petacchi here in Sacramento two years ago. I'll take QuickStep in the rain over Jittery Joes in the sun. No disrespect to the NRC teams, but I can go down to Redlands or Sea Otter to see them.
    i hear ya. the ATOC had a good run but it's over with now..... i may take in a stage around here but i certainly won't be following it like i did in past years.

    ed rader
    Amgen Tour of California

    http://erader.zenfolio.com/f561244030

  13. #13
    Senior Member hocker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Denver
    My Bikes
    Road and Mountain
    Posts
    619
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by erader View Post
    it means the ATOC peaked last year in popularity and is now in decline. lance said he would ride the ATOC next year with his new team.

    i doubt the euros will come to the u.s. in these tight fiscal times while they have options nearer to home.

    it was fun while it lasted .

    ed rader
    Huh??? It peaked last year???? Actually, when it was announced many riders at the Giro said they would ride the TOC next year instead. Even with the poor economy, the North American market is massive in terms of cycling. I would expect a big turnout and all the same teams.

  14. #14
    Elitist Troglodyte DMF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Dallas
    My Bikes
    03 Raleigh Professional (steel)
    Posts
    6,896
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by erader View Post
    the flip side is the ATOC was popular because it was an early season race. next year it will be in the thick of the season when the big guys are seriously training for the TDF.
    Actually, that's a reason that moving it to May will make it *more* successful. The big guys training for the TdF don't ride the Giro simply because it's three very hard weeks. A ten day event at the same time is likely to get a bunch of proto-TdF teams.
    Stupidity got us into this mess - why can't it get us out?

    - Will Rogers

  15. #15
    Senior Member erader's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    silicon valley
    Posts
    1,774
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by hocker View Post
    Huh??? It peaked last year???? Actually, when it was announced many riders at the Giro said they would ride the TOC next year instead. Even with the poor economy, the North American market is massive in terms of cycling. I would expect a big turnout and all the same teams.
    the organizer of the ATOC sure doesn't sound as optimistic as you.......

    Tour of California director Andrew Messick, who watched Saturday's Mont Ventoux finish in France, said he "expected" that top American teams would race in California with their top American riders. "Lance, Levi, George Hincapie would, I think, race here," Messick said.

    but i guess we'll see .

    ed rader
    Amgen Tour of California

    http://erader.zenfolio.com/f561244030

  16. #16
    Senior Member subframe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    673
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    ATOC applied for and received ProTour status for 2011, but I still think they'll have a hard time getting European riders over for it.

  17. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    julian, ca
    Posts
    598
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I think it is the beginning of the end for the Giro. Lots of complaints from the riders this year and it is too long for people who want to prep for the TDF. I think the TOC is just getting into its heyday in spite of what Ed says. Of course Ed is always wrong!

  18. #18
    It's MY mountain DiabloScott's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Mt.Diablo
    Posts
    5,432
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post
    Large parts of the last 2 years of the Tour of California were ruined by bad weather. The weather is much better in California in May. No rain along the coast and some of the Sierra Nevada will be clear of snow.
    Ruined? The rainy days were the BEST. Crappy weather makes for memorable bike races. An ITT would probably suck in the rain though.

    I think ATOC ought to lower their expectations a bit, the world doesn't need another three week GT. But there are lots of great riders who don't do the Giro and will consider a week in Ca a nice alternative, but we probably won't see Cavendish and Cancellara again.
    http://diabloscott.blogspot.com/

  19. #19
    Senior Member hocker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Denver
    My Bikes
    Road and Mountain
    Posts
    619
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by erader View Post
    the organizer of the ATOC sure doesn't sound as optimistic as you.......

    Tour of California director Andrew Messick, who watched Saturday's Mont Ventoux finish in France, said he "expected" that top American teams would race in California with their top American riders. "Lance, Levi, George Hincapie would, I think, race here," Messick said.

    but i guess we'll see .

    ed rader
    I'm confused.

    In any case, I'm going. I have already reserved friends couches in three cities...bringing my bike, back pack, maybe rent a car...

    Just need to come up with a crazy get-up for Palomar.

  20. #20
    lead on macduff!
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    south park-san diego, ca
    My Bikes
    2002 Coppi KSC Plane-1986 Masi 3Volumetrica-1985 Pinarello Treviso
    Posts
    1,780
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    angelo zomegnan is a crazy man. makes the giro interesting for the fans with his
    unpredictable routes/courses but hell for the riders with the dangerous finishes and
    long transfers. anyone else see that picture (don't remember the stage in this year's giro)
    where the riders are coming around a curve in town and there are numerous trolley/train
    track going every which way? that musta been fun. may in the mountains (especially the
    dolomites) can be very...interesting. if zomegnan keeps his act up, we may get more
    italian/giro riders than we ever thought we would.

  21. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    141
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    A mountain top finish in the Sierra in May? Yeah, right. Tioga Pass doesn't even open until Memorial Day, at the earliest, with all the snow. And that is just a pass.

  22. #22
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    10,369
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Jams Army View Post
    A mountain top finish in the Sierra in May? Yeah, right. Tioga Pass doesn't even open until Memorial Day, at the earliest, with all the snow. And that is just a pass.
    They don't have to visit the 10,000 mountains. Even the Tour de France does not go that high.
    There are plenty of great climbs and great scenery below 7000 feet. Yosemite Valley is only 4000 feet.

  23. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    julian, ca
    Posts
    598
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Jams Army View Post
    A mountain top finish in the Sierra in May? Yeah, right. Tioga Pass doesn't even open until Memorial Day, at the earliest, with all the snow. And that is just a pass.
    Huh? Aren't passes the highest roads? You do know that they are on road bikes and not mountain bikes don't you?

  24. #24
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    julian, ca
    Posts
    598
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by erader View Post
    i hear ya. the ATOC had a good run but it's over with now..... i may take in a stage around here but i certainly won't be following it like i did in past years.

    ed rader
    And the TOC organizers cheer!

  25. #25
    pan y agua merlinextraligh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Jacksonville
    My Bikes
    Wilier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Co-Motion Robusta; Schwinn Paramount; Motobecane Phantom Cross; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er
    Posts
    27,236
    Mentioned
    8 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by julian View Post
    I think it is the beginning of the end for the Giro. Lots of complaints from the riders this year and it is too long for people who want to prep for the TDF. I think the TOC is just getting into its heyday in spite of what Ed says. Of course Ed is always wrong!

    Is there a sarcasm emoticon misisng from this post?

    The Giro's been around 100 plus years. ATOC will not kill the Giro in the next 100 years.
    You could fall off a cliff and die.
    You could get lost and die.
    You could hit a tree and die.
    OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •