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Old 07-28-09, 08:52 AM   #1
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LA' Indurain comment

... For me, that encapsulates his whole argument: That AC ought to show him respect and cede him the leadership role, because of his record. AC obviously never bought that. I'm fairly neutral about this

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"I probably would have done it differently,” Armstrong said of the way Contador dealt with him joining the team this season.

“If I put myself in that position, even in ’99 or 2000, when I was young and ambitious, if Indurain would have come to the team, he still would have come to the team because he’s Indurain,” he said, referring to the five-time Tour champion Miguel Indurain of Spain. “That doesn’t mean he has to win, but he’s the leader because he’s a legend. Not that I’m a legend.”

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Old 07-28-09, 09:06 AM   #2
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... For me, that encapsulates his whole argument: That AC ought to show him respect and cede him the leadership role, because of his record. AC obviously never bought that. I'm fairly neutral about this

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"I probably would have done it differently, Armstrong said of the way Contador dealt with him joining the team this season.

If I put myself in that position, even in 99 or 2000, when I was young and ambitious, if Indurain would have come to the team, he still would have come to the team because hes Indurain, he said, referring to the five-time Tour champion Miguel Indurain of Spain. That doesnt mean he has to win, but hes the leader because hes a legend. Not that Im a legend.

"Not that I'm a legend." How modest.
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"Not that I'm a legend." How modest.
Still, its clear he was implying that he is a legend - and he is.
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on the other hand miguel indurain was a consumate champion and would have never conducted himself the way armstrong has.

would have never backstabbed contador, never would have publically called hinault a wanker, would have never shared team business with the press and the social messaging network, dumped his wife and various girlfriends etc. etc.....

you can't have it both ways. i remember miguel indurain. lance armstrong is no miguel indurain.

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Old 07-28-09, 09:20 AM   #5
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on the other hand miguel indurain was a consumate champion and would have never remotely acted the way armstrong has.

Would have never backstabbed contador, never would have publically called hinault a wanker, etc. Etc.....

You can't have it both ways. I remember miguel indurain. lance armstrong is no miguel indurain.

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True that. But let's not forget that Armstrong was a celebrity like no other cyclist before him. Not Indurain, not Merckx, not Hinault - not even LeMond. He lives in a different world, and its not his fault, although he certainly relishes it.
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True that. But let's not forget that Armstrong was a celebrity like no other cyclist before him. Not Indurain, not Merckx, not Hinault - not even LeMond. He lives in a different world, and its not his fault, although he certainly relishes it.
Well we know your perspective. LeMond is miles behind Merckx and Hinault, it is just that the main audience is not America.
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Well we know your perspective. LeMond is miles behind Merckx and Hinault, it is just that the main audience is not America.
Yeah, but at the same time, I think LA's celebrity status has probably convinced him that he's the star of the show everywhere he goes ... especially when the show is run by a goodf reind...
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Contador "has worked very hard, earning the right to represent our team as the leader this July," team manager Johan Bruyneel said today.
WTF is LA talking about?
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WTF is LA talking about?
True. But as LA saw it, its more about Respect for a former champ, than what the current champ does.
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True. But as LA saw it, its more about Respect for a former champ, than what the current champ does.
I'm not quite sure how Lance gets off talking about respect when you consider his comments on Hinault, and specifically on Sastre's victory last year. The man has no shame. We knew that. Its just that he keeps reminding us.
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I don't buy it. I don't believe for a second Armstrong would have let Indurain take leadership of US Postal in '99, in fact I think it's an absolutely laughable claim.
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I don't buy it. I don't believe for a second Armstrong would have let Indurain take leadership of US Postal in '99, in fact I think it's an absolutely laughable claim.

Right on.
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True. But as LA saw it, its more about Respect for a former champ, than what the current champ does.
LA came in demanding respect. Expecting to be in charge. This wasn't a team in disarray before he got there. Quite the contrary. It was a very strong team with the best grand tour rider in the world on it. He came in and wanted to take charge. He interjected himself into a team that had no problems, that had a leader, that was winning, that was the best in the sport. Then LA got upset when AC didn't back down. LA very presence on the team was disrespectful of AC. Especially after it became clear that it wasn't just about being a good teammate, but about winning.

And now he's just starting the think maybe he could have taken a different approach?
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LA came in demanding respect. Expecting to be in charge. This wasn't a team in disarray before he got there. Quite the contrary. It was a very strong team with the best grand tour rider in the world on it. He came in and wanted to take charge. He interjected himself into a team that had no problems, that had a leader, that was winning, that was the best in the sport. Then LA got upset when AC didn't back down. LA very presence on the team was disrespectful of AC. Especially after it became clear that it wasn't just about being a good teammate, but about winning.

And now he's just starting the think maybe he could have taken a different approach?
True. He should have said up front when joining Astana that AC was the best, but he clearly wasn't convinced of AC's abilities til halfway through the tour. It probably boiled down to this: LA figured AC won the 2007 Tour by fluke.
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True. He should have said up front when joining Astana that AC was the best, but he clearly wasn't convinced of AC's abilities til halfway through the tour. It probably boiled down to this: LA figured AC won the 2007 Tour by fluke.
Yeah, won the Gira and Vuelta on flukes too. His ego was blinding his vision.
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True. He should have said up front when joining Astana that AC was the best, but he clearly wasn't convinced of AC's abilities til halfway through the tour. It probably boiled down to this: LA figured AC won the 2007 Tour by fluke.
Well, he did win the 2007 Tour by fluke.

He did NOT win the 2008 Vuelta or Giro by fluke.
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Well, he did win the 2007 Tour by fluke.

He did NOT win the 2008 Vuelta or Giro by fluke.
LA never did think highly of those other 2 GTs...

Well, now he should be convinced that AC is indeed the best.
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dumped his wife and various girlfriends
Can we keep this crap out of it??? None of us know the real stories and this has nothing to do with cycling.
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Can we keep this crap out of it??? None of us know the real stories and this has nothing to do with cycling.
It has plenty to do with his "Legend", which of course he's too humble to call himself
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It has plenty to do with his "Legend", which of course he's too humble to call himself
I think we ought to leave that part of his personal life separate from his sporting achievements. If we are going to go over the scandalous stuff he's been involved in, then we should remember his work for cancer charity too. Let's leave both out and focus on his performance and behavior in the arena.
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The people that hate Lance will never keep this part of his life separate, even though it has nothing to do with cycling or his comparison's to Indurain as a rider. Just a chance for the haters of him to spew more venom. If that floats your boat and makes you feel better about yourself, great. Either way it makes no difference. But, if you do love cycling, and I think that half of the people here really couldn't care less about the sport, they just want somewhere to go and spout off and try to become some kind of lame internet forum celebrity, then you can't argue with the good he has done the sport as far as popularity, exposure, and plain old dollars. Now with that there is going to be good and bad, but it does make the sport grow, and that should be the goal.
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I don't buy it. I don't believe for a second Armstrong would have let Indurain take leadership of US Postal in '99, in fact I think it's an absolutely laughable claim.
lol it is awful easy for Lance to say how he would have handled a hypothetical situation. Plus Lance in '99 had never come close to winning a major stage race. He was just coming back from cancer and the majority of the teams were not even remotely interested in signing him. A more accurate scenareo would be if Lance would have taken his stated position if Indurain had wanted to join Disco in '01 after several years off and after Lance had won several tours. ... Highly unlikely.
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lol it is awful easy for Lance to say how he would have handled a hypothetical situation. Plus Lance in '99 had never come close to winning a major stage race. He was just coming back from cancer and the majority of the teams were not even remotely interested in signing him. A more accurate scenareo would be if Lance would have taken his stated position if Indurain had wanted to join Disco in '01 after several years off and after Lance had won several tours. ... Highly unlikely.
Oh how wrong you are! Lance would have been the consummate teammate and allowed Indurain to take over the team. Just like Contador should have done.

Seriously, does Lance think no one has ever heard of Hinault. It's a team sport, but you can't trust anyone. Just ask Hincapie.
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True that. But let's not forget that Armstrong was a celebrity like no other cyclist before him. Not Indurain, not Merckx, not Hinault - not even LeMond. He lives in a different world, and its not his fault, although he certainly relishes it.
You are delusional. You ought to have lived in Europe to know how big some of those names you said were.
American fame doesnt count for jack-squat. Kim Kardashian is famous, for what, her booty? Paris Hilton? Tila Tequila?
I guess you are right though, the operative word is celebrity.

Lets be serious.
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