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Old 07-28-09, 12:33 PM   #1
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Is the doping storm coming?

http://tour-de-france.velonews.com/a...l-wary-of-tour
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I saw that. It'll be interesting to find out who the culprits are...
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Maybe... consider the dopers that were eventually caught in last years tour;

Michael Schummacher schooling FC in both time trials
Bernard Kohl, average pro cyclist, out of no where in polka dots,
Ricardo Ricco's remarkable climbing ability
and tours before that, Landis remarkable stage 17

So, as I reflect on this years tour, was there anything really out of the oridinary in this year?
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Maybe... consider the dopers that were eventually caught in last years tour;

Michael Schummacher schooling FC in both time trials
Bernard Kohl, average pro cyclist, out of no where in polka dots,
Ricardo Ricco's remarkable climbing ability
and tours before that, Landis remarkable stage 17

So, as I reflect on this years tour, was there anything really out of the oridinary in this year?
Well one could argue Contador's ride up Arcalis was out of the ordinary and Wiggins new found climbing abilities....but both have there explanations.
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Maybe Conti and A. Schleck will be dis qualified. That would be funny. LAnce backs into an 8th TDF
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Maybe Conti and A. Schleck will be dis qualified. That would be funny. LAnce backs into an 8th TDF
If Contador is disqualified they will ban the whole Astana squad so Lance would be banned I'd imagine.
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Maybe... consider the dopers that were eventually caught in last years tour;

Michael Schummacher schooling FC in both time trials
Bernard Kohl, average pro cyclist, out of no where in polka dots,
Ricardo Ricco's remarkable climbing ability
and tours before that, Landis remarkable stage 17

So, as I reflect on this years tour, was there anything really out of the oridinary in this year?
Contador's time trialing? Specifically the final time trial.
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“We found heavy drugs, including one that is used by diabetics to produce insulin,” he said.
Yeah? So what? There are lot more guys on the team than the riders. Maybe one of the soigneurs is diabetic? Others are probably eating roofies to stay awake. This statement by itself means nothing. A reputable journal would have made note of this point.
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Yeah? So what? There are lot more guys on the team than the riders. Maybe one of the soigneurs is diabetic? Others are probably eating roofies to stay awake. This statement by itself means nothing. A reputable journal would have made note of this point.
Says the guy who's avatar says "Free Floyd"

I can hear the excuses coming already. Let's see...no, no, that LA blood on that needle does not prove that needle ever went in Lance. In fact, there was this one day when he was taking a shower...and when he got out he slipped because the evil French don't use shower curtains! Yeah, that's the ticket! And, and, and then when he slipped he got a bloody nose, and, uh, uh, uh, some maid must have taken a needle into the room and put the blood on the needle and then thrown it out and alerted the disreputable French press as to the location of the needle... yeah!
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You might try to re-train your brain. Most are capable of logic...



The Free Floyd title (not avatar) is a joke, btw, though I do think he got screwed.
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Ha! Fingers crossed Lance gets busted.

I was extremely suspicoius when after having been dropped on all the mountain stages, he annaounced before the Ventoux stage that "he will fine fine"
And that all he needed was 1 second to stay in second place.

Im not sure how all of a sudden he can boast such confidence when he was clearly dropping on every climb....
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Ha! Fingers crossed Lance gets busted.

I was extremely suspicoius when after having been dropped on all the mountain stages, he annaounced before the Ventoux stage that "he will fine fine"
And that all he needed was 1 second to stay in second place.

Im not sure how all of a sudden he can boast such confidence when he was clearly dropping on every climb....
Huh? Define fine fine?
And yes he was clearing dropping (other riders) on every climb.
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Huh? Define fine fine?
And yes he was clearing dropping (other riders) on every climb.
Haha, you are cute and funny.
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If Contador is disqualified they will ban the whole Astana squad so Lance would be banned I'd imagine.
I don't believe that is correct. If it was during the tour, they may have asked them to leave...more likely that Astana would have withdrawn. I don't think it's within the rules to disqualify the whole team based on one rider's results. Did all of Phonak get disqualified because Landis? I'm not sure but I don't think so.
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And that all he needed was 1 second to stay in second place.
Huh? He wasn't in second place.
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I don't believe that is correct. If it was during the tour, they may have asked them to leave...more likely that Astana would have withdrawn. I don't think it's within the rules to disqualify the whole team based on one rider's results. Did all of Phonak get disqualified because Landis? I'm not sure but I don't think so.
Phonak hadn't just been busted for doping. This is a unique circumstance. Astana was banned for doping and the whole team was replaced. From what I understand despite it being an entirely different team Astana as a team could still be banned if there is any hint at doping. I honestly think if someone on Astana is caught after the fact that all of Astana's results will be nullified.
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[QUOTE=chrisvu05;9373201]Phonak hadn't just been busted for doping. This is a unique circumstance. Astana was banned for doping and the whole team was replaced. From what I understand despite it being an entirely different team Astana as a team could still be banned if there is any hint at doping. I honestly think if someone on Astana is caught after the fact that all of Astana's results will be nullified.[/QUOTE]

can you cite a precedent for your belief?

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Huh? He wasn't in second place.
Oh dear, no, no.
I meant that Armstrong was seen saying that if he gained time before Ventoux in the Time trial, leapfrogging Scleck, all he would need was 1 second advantage to keep second place to Paris.

Sorry, I should have included that in my original post.
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Well one could argue Contador's ride up Arcalis was out of the ordinary and Wiggins new found climbing abilities....but both have there explanations.
What was so special about Contador on Arcalis? He only gained 20 seconds on his rivals, which was in line with his other mountain performances.
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Phonak hadn't just been busted for doping. This is a unique circumstance. Astana was banned for doping and the whole team was replaced. From what I understand despite it being an entirely different team Astana as a team could still be banned if there is any hint at doping. I honestly think if someone on Astana is caught after the fact that all of Astana's results will be nullified.[/QUOTE]

can you cite a precedent for your belief?

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The below link is in regards to 2008 Astana

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"ASO, which organizes the Tour, said Astana won't be invited to any of its 2008 events. That includes Paris-Nice, Paris-Roubaix, Liege-Bastogne-Liege, the Fleche Wallonne, Paris-Tours and others.

Astana wasn't among the 20 teams selected Wednesday by ASO for the March 9-16 Paris-Nice race.

In 2006, Astana-Wurth couldn't field the minimum six cyclists required -- after the implicated five riders were withdrawn -- and pulled out on the eve of the Tour.

ASO said Astana could be allowed back in the future if it has a 2008 season "without suspicions."

Bruyneel stated..."We have done everything to change the dynamics of the team," Bruyneel said. "New management, new riders, new philosophy. Only the name of the sponsor remained.

"Many other teams, with similar suspicious pasts that did not change management or structure, can participate without problems. Where is the consistency? Is Tour de France not losing all credibility now?"


I truly believe if anyone on Astana was caught doping the whole team's results would be nullified. Besides I think if Contador was caught doping (as this post was initially talking about) they would be catching the rest of Astana as well.
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What was so special about Contador on Arcalis? He only gained 20 seconds on his rivals, which was in line with his other mountain performances.
True but if i'm not mistaken the rate at which he climbed was the fastest climbing rate in recorded history. But like I said earlier there are explanations for that...

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The below link is in regards to 2008 Astana

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...ing&id=3243633

"ASO, which organizes the Tour, said Astana won't be invited to any of its 2008 events. That includes Paris-Nice, Paris-Roubaix, Liege-Bastogne-Liege, the Fleche Wallonne, Paris-Tours and others.

Astana wasn't among the 20 teams selected Wednesday by ASO for the March 9-16 Paris-Nice race.

In 2006, Astana-Wurth couldn't field the minimum six cyclists required -- after the implicated five riders were withdrawn -- and pulled out on the eve of the Tour.

ASO said Astana could be allowed back in the future if it has a 2008 season "without suspicions."

Bruyneel stated..."We have done everything to change the dynamics of the team," Bruyneel said. "New management, new riders, new philosophy. Only the name of the sponsor remained.

"Many other teams, with similar suspicious pasts that did not change management or structure, can participate without problems. Where is the consistency? Is Tour de France not losing all credibility now?"


I truly believe if anyone on Astana was caught doping the whole team's results would be nullified. Besides I think if Contador was caught doping (as this post was initially talking about) they would be catching the rest of Astana as well.
specifically, can you show me where a team's results have been nullified because one rider on the team was busted for doping?

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If AC can beat Fabu in a 40k time trial, weighing 40lbs less than Fabu, he could've climbed twice as fast if he wanted to look like an extraterrestrial. Which explains why he never looked like he was breathing hard while Andy's face was covered in pain.
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If AC can beat Fabu in a 40k time trial, weighing 40lbs less than Fabu, he could've climbed twice as fast if he wanted to look like an extraterrestrial. Which explains why he never looked like he was breathing hard while Andy's face was covered in pain.
who won the first TT when both were fresh?

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